OSU Cowboys next year

[AdaSooner]

If the Cowboys finish 8-8 in conference and go to the the NCAA tourney, Boynton is Coach of the Year.


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Interesting! Is it safe to say your expectations may not be too high next season? If so, why?

 

[HoHum]

The offense will see a big decline, but the defense should be much better. It will be all about if the better defense can counteract the regression in offense.

I think the lineup will be: Smith, Dawson, Carroll, Dillard, Solomon to start and Sima will either take Dillard or Solomon's spot once he's eligible.

 

[thebigabd]

The offense will see a big decline, but the defense should be much better. It will be all about if the better defense can counteract the regression in offense.

I think the lineup will be: Smith, Dawson, Carroll, Dillard, Solomon to start and Sima will either take Dillard or Solomon's spot once he's eligible.

I guess I don't understand why the offense won't be good... Dawson, Smith, Dillard, and Carroll are going to get the shots that Forte/Evans were getting, and they all seem plenty capable.

This always happens in college athletics.. people overblow the loss of a player... Players don't sign 10 year contracts. You basically get 2 years of good production out of any player. If you are a phenom type guy you play for a year or two and then leave, if you are a normal 4 year guy it takes you a couple of years to be good and you get 2 years out of them, and then some other guy comes in and replaces the production.

 

[Oscar Uniform]

Dawson, Smith, Dillard, and Carroll are going to get the shots that Forte/Evans were getting.

But will they make the shots?

 

[WTSooner]

I guess I won't be seeking help.

If I'm the only person on this board completely gutted and disappointed by last season's results then I'll carry that weight. I'd like to avoid more 20-loss seasons if at all possible. I don't like having to throw out parachutes to anyone who will bite less than two years removed from a Final Four run.

As long as I'm around, it's not a weight you'll have to carry yourself. No excuses for last season, that was terrible.

 

[thebigabd]

But will they make the shots?

I wouldn't leave any of them open, that's for sure. Look at the numbers. These are good players, and a couple of them could be all league guys, 1 for sure (Carroll).

 

[vbdad]

Carroll is a very good player but he was helped a bunch by Forte spreading the floor and Evans being a great point guard.

 

[chuckb]

Carroll is a very good player but he was helped a bunch by Forte spreading the floor and Evans being a great point guard.

I would imagine they'll look next year a lot like we looked this year, only with less talent surrounding Carroll. Carroll's their Woodard.

 

[thebigabd]

I would imagine they'll look next year a lot like we looked this year, only with less talent surrounding Carroll. Carroll's their Woodard.

Carroll is in a different league than Woodard... Significantly more talented and capable.

 

[SuperHoops]

Development of their freshman will be crucial for them. Waters, Averette and McGriff all looked good at times but more often than not were non-factors. They said Dziagwa actually was a better 3-point shooter than Forte but he got almost no playing time during conference play so he must have been a defensive liability. The Dutch kid is a project but he seemed somewhat athletic at least.

 

[skyvue]

Carroll is in a different league than Woodard... Significantly more talented and capable.

I have defended you in the past, but you seem to really have gone off the deep end in your praise of other teams and your discounting of Sooner hoops. You start thread after thread touting other programs, but I'm hard-pressed to recall the last time you started a thread -- or even wrote a single post -- in praise of our own team. I honestly can't recall one.

In his first three seasons, Carroll's averaged 4, 8 and 18 points, with almost nonexistent assist averages.

In his first three seasons, Woodward averaged 10, 9 and 13 points, with assist averages of 5, 4 and 3.

So what the heck are you talking about?

 

[chuckb]

Carroll is in a different league than Woodard... Significantly more talented and capable.

Carroll's a different type of player, one who definitely has skills valued in the NBA that Woodard doesn't have. But Carroll will enter this season just as Woodard entered last season, as a guy who scored a lot of points because defenses keyed on the other scorers and now has to become the go-to guy. Just as Woodard struggled some because this year, at least early on, we didn't have anyone to take the pressure off of him, Carroll's going to have a hard time carrying OSU without Evans and Forte. And we had others like Odomes, Doolittle, and obviously McGusty who needed time to emerge as playmakers.

Carroll's a talented guy but they're going to need others to step up when Big 12 defenses key on him and take him out of the game. To just assume that Mitchell Solomon -- a guy who's not even as good as Lattin (God knows that's been debated enough here) -- or someone who played 10 minutes a game is going to be that guy is a lot like those people here who thought James would be all-conference. And we had guys who learned to step up when James faltered.

I don't see how they're not in the bottom 2 or 3 in the conference. The Big 12 is just too good, as both OU and UT found out this year.

 

[Oscar Uniform]

a couple of them could be all league guys, 1 for sure (Carroll).

and the other?

 

[thebigabd]

and the other?

I could see Dillard making a huge jump and making one of the teams, and I could see Smith or Sima making all newcomer teams. Sima has to sit out half the year which will hurt him, so he would have to make a big splash to get it.

Really though, I am thinking you see a huge jump out of Dillard. He's learned how to shoot, and he is a big time athlete.

In his first three seasons, Carroll's averaged 4, 8 and 18 points, with almost nonexistent assist averages.

In his first three seasons, Woodward averaged 10, 9 and 13 points, with assist averages of 5, 4 and 3.

So what the heck are you talking about?

Carroll has a legit shot at the NBA, Woodard never had any chance. Doesn't that mean he is a different caliber of player?

 

[Oscar Uniform]

I could see Dillard making a huge jump and making one of the teams, and I could see Smith or Sima making all newcomer teams. Sima has to sit out half the year which will hurt him, so he would have to make a big splash to get it.

Really though, I am thinking you see a huge jump out of Dillard. He's learned how to shoot, and he is a big time athlete.

Dillard averaged 5.7 ppg last year. He is OSU's second leading returning scorer. OU has 5 returning players who averaged more ppg last year. But I am not about to claim any of them to be all league. Dillard may win the dunk contest but that might be the highlight to the Cowboys season.

 

[chuckb]

Dillard was a 10 minutes per game player last season. He's what James was for us last season. Some here expected him to be all-league as well.

Isn't it now pretty obvious that it's a big jump from 10 mpg to all Big 12?

 

[skyvue]

Carroll has a legit shot at the NBA, Woodard never had any chance. Doesn't that mean he is a different caliber of player?

Though I wish all of our players well in pursuing their dreams of playing in the NBA, that's not how I judge a collegiate career. Woodard contributed big-time from the opening tip of his career, and it seems some of our own fans (or "fans") still don't appreciate him.

Carroll could go on to be an NBA all-star for 10 years in a row, and it wouldn't mean he was a better college player than Woodard.

 

[SuperHoops]

Boynton finally filled out his staff with David Kontaxis from JMU. Prior to his one year at JMU he had been an AAU guy for about 7 years after leaving HS coaching. And all of a sudden OSU has an in on a highly rated big man for 2019. It's not like they hired Ed Manning but it will remain to be seen how shady this is. You'd like to think Boynton would be smart enough to keep it clean this early into his tenure.