OSU hires...

[KBaden145]

I don't understand trying to argue that he hasn't beaten many P5 teams. First, he also hasn't played many. Second, he doesn't have P5 talent. He coaches at SFA. A better gauge of how good of a coach he is, is how he's done vs similarly talented teams. And he's done well in that regards. If he can recruit, he'll do a "solid" job at OSU.

Recruiting at this level and how his style translates to this league are the only questions I have about him.


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[CoachTalk]

You hearing that somewhere or your opinion? Think whether or not Dickey is retained will influence Forte's decision.

Hearing that and Dickey is gone.

 

[Big Old Booger]

From what you said, I would say this radio host has quite an over-inflated opinion of the Kansas State basketball program.

And I find it hard to believe that any Big 12 coach would leave one Big 12 school for another Big 12 school (exception would be leaving for the KU job under the right circumstances). Were you listening to Keitzman say this? I think he is a KSU guy...right?

yes, that was him and he is a KSU guy. You could tell he was really upset OSU was about to hire Underwood. :ez-laugh:

 

[Big Old Booger]

Underwood has been rumored to leave SFA since last summer, everyone knew he was leaving after this season.

Yes, the KSU guys (Kietzman) said a few weeks ago Underwood was leaving SFA after this season. The way he said it was that it's been common knowledge.

 

[KBaden145]

Hearing that and Dickey is gone.

I feel for that guy. Loyal almost to a fault. They should keep him on in some administrative role.


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[bgrch1350]

They have been searching for awhile. They e had their mind made upo of r awhile


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They didn't search. Holder saw eye candy in Underwoods record and didn't see who he has been beaten. I don't know how Ben Jacobson wasn't looked at harder. He beat unc, Iowa state, Wichita state, Texas, and Stephen f Austin this year.
His 31 and 4 record last year included wins over Virginia tech, Iowa, Wichita state, Wyoming, and a win again against Stephen f Austin.
If sfa hadn't beaten west Virginia this year...I challenge anyone to find their best win this season or last season.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Like I said in a different post. One win in 3 years against power 5 conference teams. Holder won't survive this if he doesn't have immediate success.

How many power conference teams did they play in those 3 years? How many were home games? How many of those teams were clearly better than SFA?

 

[bgrch1350]

How many power conference teams did they play in those 3 years? How many were home games? How many of those teams were clearly better than SFA?

Year one) lost to Texas. Lost to ucla. Best win was against vcu in tourney. No quality non conference wins.
Year 2) lost to n. Iowa, Xavier, Baylor, and Utah. Beat Memphis. No other wins.
this year) lost to baylor by 42, n. Iowa by 10, Arizona state, uab by 10, Tulane and Notre dame. Beat west Virginia.

 

[WTSooner]

Year one) lost to Texas. Lost to ucla. Best win was against vcu in tourney. No quality non conference wins.
Year 2) lost to n. Iowa, Xavier, Baylor, and Utah. Beat Memphis. No other wins.
this year) lost to baylor by 42, n. Iowa by 10, Arizona state, uab by 10, Tulane and Notre dame. Beat west Virginia.

Even good coaches can't beat (often) top teams when they SFA-level talent. Not sure why you are beating this drum. Good coaches are the ones that succeed against equally talented teams. He isn't going to coach SFA-level talent at OSU. He'll have better players.

I get that hiring Understood is a bit of a risk. I get that. But not for the reasons you keep trying to hammer home.

 

[soonernutt]

Year one) lost to Texas. Lost to ucla. Best win was against vcu in tourney. No quality non conference wins.
Year 2) lost to n. Iowa, Xavier, Baylor, and Utah. Beat Memphis. No other wins.
this year) lost to baylor by 42, n. Iowa by 10, Arizona state, uab by 10, Tulane and Notre dame. Beat west Virginia.

I would just add that building a team at a small mid-major school, you don't really have the talent to compete with most of the teams you mentioned above. It's more about building consistency, winning your conference, and making the occasional tourney run. He's done that, and the level of players he will be able to attract at a big12 school is wildly different than he's had in the past.

There are never guarantees when you hire a coach. Sometimes what seems like a slam-dunk turns into a nightmare. Sometimes a ho-hum hire turns into a jackpot.

He will have to deal with new challenges at oSu. Higher expectations, a big donor who wants to call the shots, and much, much tougher competition in a tough conference.

He will also likely have some advantages. oSu is a better squad than they showed this year. If Forte comes back, he and Evans will be a tough duo to stop. They have some good talent there, and if they just finish middle of the pack, it will be considered a great improvement over this year. I think just about any coach could take the talent they have and finish in the middle of the big12 next year, so he gets a bit of a head start. With that, he will likely have some goodwill that carries him a few years as he builds.

In all, though, I think it's a pretty solid hire. Not super flashy, but not that risky either. They need a grinder who is ready to put in a lot of work. Not just on the practice court either. They have to rebuild the fan base, and rebuild the relationship with boosters as well. They need a "community" type of guy who is everywhere all the time selling the program and creating excitement.

 

[bgrch1350]

Even good coaches can't beat (often) top teams when they SFA-level talent. Not sure why you are beating this drum. Good coaches are the ones that succeed against equally talented teams. He isn't going to coach SFA-level talent at OSU. He'll have better players.

I get that hiring Understood is a bit of a risk. I get that. But not for the reasons you keep trying to hammer home.

If ou had hired Ford who had never made it to the tournament prior to being hired and then after that fiasco hired a coach in 2 days who has one quality win in three years. I would be livid. Not saying he won't have success but 2 days to decide on a coach after that fiasco is pretty bad imo.

They saw his record and jumped on him but his record doesn't compare to some other coaching records like northern iowa coach and wsu coach and many more when you take into quality wins and their records

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Even good coaches can't beat (often) top teams when they SFA-level talent. Not sure why you are beating this drum. Good coaches are the ones that succeed against equally talented teams. He isn't going to coach SFA-level talent at OSU. He'll have better players.



I get that hiring Understood is a bit of a risk. I get that. But not for the reasons you keep trying to hammer home.

Pretty sure he is playing the contrarian so if underwood fails he can remind us of this thread


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[SoonerBounce13]

If ou had hired Ford who had never made it to the tournament prior to being hired and then after that fiasco hired a coach in 2 days who has one quality win in three years. I would be livid. Not saying he won't have success but 2 days to decide on a coach after that fiasco is pretty bad imo.



They saw his record and jumped on him but his record doesn't compare to some other coaching records like northern iowa coach and wsu coach and many more when you take into quality wins and their records

It was t two days


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[WTSooner]

If ou had hired Ford who had never made it to the tournament prior to being hired and then after that fiasco hired a coach in 2 days who has one quality win in three years. I would be livid. Not saying he won't have success but 2 days to decide on a coach after that fiasco is pretty bad imo.

They saw his record and jumped on him but his record doesn't compare to some other coaching records like northern iowa coach and wsu coach and many more when you take into quality wins and their records

I'm sure it was more than just his record.

We have no idea who Holder reached out to. They said they were looking for somebody very specific. They wanted somebody with connections to this part of the country. Not everybody has that. Not everybody will leave their current job for the OSU job.

 

[Big Old Booger]

They didn't search. Holder saw eye candy in Underwoods record and didn't see who he has been beaten. I don't know how Ben Jacobson wasn't looked at harder. He beat unc, Iowa state, Wichita state, Texas, and Stephen f Austin this year.
His 31 and 4 record last year included wins over Virginia tech, Iowa, Wichita state, Wyoming, and a win again against Stephen f Austin.
If sfa hadn't beaten west Virginia this year...I challenge anyone to find their best win this season or last season.

Underwood played for Hartman which makes him from the Henry Iba tree. I'm guessing this was as much a part of it as anything. I also think Underwood could be there for a long time whereas Jacobsen or any other "up and comer" would be on the first train out.

Personally, I'm not sold on Jacobsen. His team folded like a cheap suit in the last 40 seconds of that aTm game. That's a huge red flag issue to me if I'm an AD.

Underwood was also a top assistant at KSU and South Carolina to Martin and Huggy Bear.

 

[tycat947]

Joe C has stated in the past that he ALWAYS has a list available for potential coaching hires on file, especially for unexpected departures of coaches, so surely Holder would have been updating his list since he was pretty sure he was going to get rid of HCTF a long time ago.

 

[schoonerdriver]

Just listed to Desmond Mason on the franchise. What is it with these former players and their perception that they should be given the keys to a Power 5 basketball team. At least Doug talks about sports for a living, Desmond is painting. They both said they would quit their jobs to get paid around $1 million dollars to coach though but don't want to go prove themselves elsewhere first.

http://thefranchiseok.com/desmond-mason-i-would-have-given-up-art-to-be-osu-basketball-coach/

 

[scrybe]

I agree with everything you posted in both posts, but I'm just saying what's being said up here in KC. The afternoon radio show host, a KSU alum, made this a huge part of his show today. He wants Weber fired and Underwood hired in the worst way and he even said on the radio "OSU fans, if you think you are getting a coach who will stay there for a long time you are wrong, when KSU calls Underwood will leave OSU" (paraphrased a little but he basically said that). He's in tune with a lot of KSU fans, very involved in the KSU alumni group and travels to a lot of out of town games.

He did go on to say though, if KSU fires Weber after next year Underwood won't leave OSU after just one year so then KSU has to find another coach and then by the time the timing works out to when they can hire Underwood he may be too old. It was an interesting show to say the least.

That's some funny stuff, Boog. Sounds like OSU doesn't have the only delusional fanbase in the Big 12.

 

[KBaden145]

“We’re the state’s team. We’ve always been the state’s team.” -Doug Gottlieb

Doug is either talking about a state other than Oklahoma, is horrific at math, or delusional.

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[MsProudSooner]

“We’re the state’s team. We’ve always been the state’s team.” -Doug Gottlieb

Doug is either talking about a state other than Oklahoma, is horrific at math, or delusional.

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Combination of all three. :ez-roll: