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[tycat947]

The only statistic more important than the 126-92 series record against Boone State is the 82-16-7 series humiliation against Cow Patty State in football!

 

[DenverSooner]

Now I just sit there and laugh. I never said that OU draws well in attendance. We don't. But I also don't pretend like we have some outstanding basketball fanbase. You guys had a nice little run in the 90's on into the 2000s, but the majority of your basketball fan attendance has been piss poor sans the glory days of Iba. Don't act like you have always been there like Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, North Carolina, or Indiana.

Actually OSU drew fairly well in the Leonard Hamilton days (pre Sutton). Back then the arena was very small but it typically had a good crowd most of the time. OSU typically won their home games and lost most road games. I actually went to the 1989/90 OU v. OSU game in Stillwater. If I recalll corectly, OSU unfortunately won. Regardless it was a good game and pretty cool basketball environment. It was extremely loud for such a small arena. With that said, I do encourage you to continue to mock all things OSU. Life just wouldn't be the same without those fools to kick around. They truly remind me of the geeky kid in school that always gets picked on. I think those kids all grow up and attend OSU or A&M.

 

[coolm]

rather weak smack

 

[Oshoe]

So you're saying you guys are as dumb as Penn State fans, then?

Yup because supporting a guy covering up systematic child rape is the same as not supporting a school after guy is rightly kicked out for drunk driving.

Just like 15 sentences is a dissertation.

:jcapel

 

[TheGimper]

I'll give you the two years Capel had Blake, so that gives you what? Two years out of the past 20 or so? :clap

OU has more wins than OSU in the past 20 years...

 

[GIA Stout]

OU has more wins than OSU in the past 20 years...

In regular season wins? Yay. OSU has 23 tournament wins in that time frame to OU's 16. Sampson was pretty good at the first round humiliating exits to inferior competition.

In 13 trips to the dance Eddie lost in the 1st round only twice. In 11 trips Sampson lost in the first round 6 times, more than 50 percent of his time he went and he only made it past the first weekend (1st/2nd round) 3 times. In 13 trips Eddie made it past the first weekend 6 times.

So...Sampson lost in the first round more 50 percent of the time and Eddie made it to the Sweet 16 or beyond almost 50 percent of the time. You factor in Blake Griffin's, I mean Capel's 4 tourney wins to Sampson's twelve and it still puts you 7 behind OSU.

 

[perryj74]

GIA Stout seems to forget that there haven't been just two coaches in Stillwater. Even the end of Henry Iba's days they were terrible. In fact 4 of his last 5 seasons were under .500. The next 3 coaches also finished with sub-.500 records without a single winning season. In fact there have been 20 sub .500 seasons since Henry Iba took over at Oklahoma A&M. I did you a favor in not going back before that as only 2 of the previous 9 coaches even had a winning record at the end of his tenure.

I know OsU fans don't like to admit this but their program has been two flashes in the pan as far as national relevance. Not the sustained success that they would have you believe. Outside of Iba and Sutton OsU basketball has been mediocre at best.

The constant crowing about how OsU has true fans that support all sports, good or bad, has died off as their football team has started to gain notoriety and their basketball program has stopped winning.

Oh and one last thing GIA Stout you can twist the numbers any way you want to the bottom line is that OU still has a better than 30 game lead in the overall series between the two programs. Not bad for a football school vs a "basketball school"

 

[oSuJeff97]

Where is OSUJeff? I miss that guy!

Oh hai.

And I've said this multiple times over the past 3-4 years:

I - and any OSU fan really - should have nothing to say in regard to basketball attendance smack anymore.

Because we clearly no longer have that as any kind of an edge. We did for about 15 years there, but a multitude of factors came together in the 2005-07 time frame that killed our strong basketball attendance:

1. Sean Sutton's suck-ass teams.
2. The ascension of OSU football.
3. The mega-inflation of OSU football season ticket prices. (And to some extent, moderate inflation of basketball season ticket prices.)
4. The dilution of the student experience. (Goes back to #1)

The bottom line is that somewhere around 2007/08, there were many, many OSU fans who had to make a decision, because Holder had made it cost-prohibitive for most people to hold both basketball and football season tickets.

So people had to make a choice - do I keep my season tickets for a basketball program that has gone from perennial power to teh suck? Or do I keep my football tickets for a team/program that just continues to get better and better?

Most everyone chose the latter. I'm personally friends with at least a dozen people who used to hold season tickets for both, but now just hold them for football.

The final factor was that the students are just nowhere near what they used to be. The main reason there points back to Sean Sutton's reign of terror. By missing the Tournament for 3 straight years, you had almost an entire class of students move through OSU without knowing the "real" GIA experience... that is a rowdy, full arena cheering on a great team. That caused a serious decline in student support.

 

[BigTime]

Nice post with quality points in it.

Oh hai.

And I've said this multiple times over the past 3-4 years:

I - and any OSU fan really - should have nothing to say in regard to basketball attendance smack anymore.

Because we clearly no longer have that as any kind of an edge. We did for about 15 years there, but a multitude of factors came together in the 2005-07 time frame that killed our strong basketball attendance:

1. Sean Sutton's suck-ass teams.
2. The ascension of OSU football.
3. The mega-inflation of OSU football season ticket prices. (And to some extent, moderate inflation of basketball season ticket prices.)
4. The dilution of the student experience. (Goes back to #1)

The bottom line is that somewhere around 2007/08, there were many, many OSU fans who had to make a decision, because Holder had made it cost-prohibitive for most people to hold both basketball and football season tickets.

So people had to make a choice - do I keep my season tickets for a basketball program that has gone from perennial power to teh suck? Or do I keep my football tickets for a team/program that just continues to get better and better?

Most everyone chose the latter. I'm personally friends with at least a dozen people who used to hold season tickets for both, but now just hold them for football.

The final factor was that the students are just nowhere near what they used to be. The main reason there points back to Sean Sutton's reign of terror. By missing the Tournament for 3 straight years, you had almost an entire class of students move through OSU without knowing the "real" GIA experience... that is a rowdy, full arena cheering on a great team. That caused a serious decline in student support.

 

[AdaSooner]

Oh hai.

And I've said this multiple times over the past 3-4 years:

I - and any OSU fan really - should have nothing to say in regard to basketball attendance smack anymore.

Because we clearly no longer have that as any kind of an edge. We did for about 15 years there, but a multitude of factors came together in the 2005-07 time frame that killed our strong basketball attendance:

1. Sean Sutton's suck-ass teams.
2. The ascension of OSU football.
3. The mega-inflation of OSU football season ticket prices. (And to some extent, moderate inflation of basketball season ticket prices.)
4. The dilution of the student experience. (Goes back to #1)

The bottom line is that somewhere around 2007/08, there were many, many OSU fans who had to make a decision, because Holder had made it cost-prohibitive for most people to hold both basketball and football season tickets.

So people had to make a choice - do I keep my season tickets for a basketball program that has gone from perennial power to teh suck? Or do I keep my football tickets for a team/program that just continues to get better and better?

Most everyone chose the latter. I'm personally friends with at least a dozen people who used to hold season tickets for both, but now just hold them for football.

The final factor was that the students are just nowhere near what they used to be. The main reason there points back to Sean Sutton's reign of terror. By missing the Tournament for 3 straight years, you had almost an entire class of students move through OSU without knowing the "real" GIA experience... that is a rowdy, full arena cheering on a great team. That caused a serious decline in student support.

Nice post, Jeff! You responded to the debate with facts, not weak smack designed to rile Sooner fans.

I remember when OSU fans camped out in tents at the GIA to be first in line for seats. Sooner fans like me were envious back then. But there is no denying that those days are in the distant past, and they may never return. Very few schools these days can boast of huge lines at the gates waiting to get in to watch a basketball game.

 

[GIA Stout]

GIA Stout seems to forget that there haven't been just two coaches in Stillwater. Even the end of Henry Iba's days they were terrible. In fact 4 of his last 5 seasons were under .500. The next 3 coaches also finished with sub-.500 records without a single winning season. In fact there have been 20 sub .500 seasons since Henry Iba took over at Oklahoma A&M. I did you a favor in not going back before that as only 2 of the previous 9 coaches even had a winning record at the end of his tenure.

I know OsU fans don't like to admit this but their program has been two flashes in the pan as far as national relevance. Not the sustained success that they would have you believe. Outside of Iba and Sutton OsU basketball has been mediocre at best.

The constant crowing about how OsU has true fans that support all sports, good or bad, has died off as their football team has started to gain notoriety and their basketball program has stopped winning.

Oh and one last thing GIA Stout you can twist the numbers any way you want to the bottom line is that OU still has a better than 30 game lead in the overall series between the two programs. Not bad for a football school vs a "basketball school"

Texas has the head to head against OU in football for wins they racked up in the early 1900's, guess that makes them better than OU in football?

You can have the all-time head to head, OSU will keep the all-time greater NCAA tournament success and wins, what really matters.

As far as GIA, of course our attendance and can it get back to the way it was with continued success? I dunno, but we'll still continue to have greater showings in big games than anything that rolls out to watch the borderline NIT team in Norman. I can google many lists of top college basketball venues in the country and find GIA in several of them. You won't find one list that has that underground bomb shelter called the LNC in it. There is a reason the arena got the reputation and recognition that it has.

I'm well aware OSU has zero right to talk attendance smack anymore and I was merely pointing out the ridiculous irony of the OP and defending OSU. We can rehash this once the season gets into conference play and when people really start rolling out to games against real teams.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Nice post, Jeff! You responded to the debate with facts, not weak smack designed to rile Sooner fans.

I remember when OSU fans camped out in tents at the GIA to be first in line for seats. Sooner fans like me were envious back then. But there is no denying that those days are in the distant past, and they may never return. Very few schools these days can boast of huge lines at the gates waiting to get in to watch a basketball game.

Thanks.

And a factor that I didn't even touch on was the OKC Thunder. I think the fact that the Thunder were getting revved up right as Travis Ford started to deliver a few good teams has hurt the fans "coming back", so to speak.

That's why I think it will be interesting to watch both OU's and OSU's attendance this year, assuming both schools put out a decent team. With no Thunder games until mid-to-late January (at least), it will be interesting to see if attendance at both schools comes up a bit.

And oh - I'm pretty sure that the students still do camp out at GIA to get the best seats for the big games... because even if student attendence is down, you can still only fit so many people on those first few rows of bleechers at the floor level.

Of course, one thing that's vastly different is that from 2001 (when "new" GIA opened) until about 2006, there was a waiting list for OSU season basketball tickets. I know because I was on it. That is certainly a thing of the past now.

 

[SuperHoops]

Do you think there is still a faction of "Sutton Supporters" who gave up their season tickets when Sean was fired and have not come back? This story has been bandied about over the past few years, mostly before Sean's arrest but I've never really heard one way or another if there is any merit to it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

grey unis are great .. because less orange is always better. ..

 

[MVPx2]

Do you think there is still a faction of "Sutton Supporters" who gave up their season tickets when Sean was fired and have not come back? This story has been bandied about over the past few years, mostly before Sean's arrest but I've never really heard one way or another if there is any merit to it.

Yes, most definitely. There was, and still is, a portion of the fan base who believe the Suttons were unfairly given their walking papers by Holder. These people refuse to attend another OSU basketball event as long as Mike Holder is AD. A lot of this stems from the hostility that existed between Holder and Sutton when Holder was the golf coach.

 

[ben]

GIA Stout is a beer that sounds pretty bitter.

 

[oSuJeff97]

grey unis are great .. because less orange is always better. ..

Well, just to be nit-picky about it, the grey doesn't replace any orange... the home basketball unis were always primarily white.

(We tended to use the all-orange as inter-changable home/road unis)

I'm kind of a traditionalist, so I prefer the whites for home and blacks for road.

Yes, most definitely. There was, and still is, a portion of the fan base who believe the Suttons were unfairly given their walking papers by Holder. These people refuse to attend another OSU basketball event as long as Mike Holder is AD. A lot of this stems from the hostility that existed between Holder and Sutton when Holder was the golf coach.

There may be a handful of people who gave up their seats for this reason, but I have to think those other factors I outlined are FAR more significant.

 

[SuperHoops]

I would have to think that it would only be some old school fans who may have gone to school with Eddie and some older Stillwater locals who had gotten on board in the 90's when Eddie resurrected the program.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Well, just to be nit-picky about it, the grey doesn't replace any orange... the home basketball unis were always primarily white.

(We tended to use the all-orange as inter-changable home/road unis)

I'm kind of a traditionalist, so I prefer the whites for home and blacks for road.



There may be a handful of people who gave up their seats for this reason, but I have to think those other factors I outlined are FAR more significant.

that comment is mostly about football .. as osu has worn orange tops 1 time this season ....

and again less orange is always better

 

[ocugolfsooner]

Texas has the head to head against OU in football for wins they racked up in the early 1900's, guess that makes them better than OU in football?

You can have the all-time head to head, OSU will keep the all-time greater NCAA tournament success and wins, what really matters.

As far as GIA, of course our attendance and can it get back to the way it was with continued success? I dunno, but we'll still continue to have greater showings in big games than anything that rolls out to watch the borderline NIT team in Norman. I can google many lists of top college basketball venues in the country and find GIA in several of them. You won't find one list that has that underground bomb shelter called the LNC in it. There is a reason the arena got the reputation and recognition that it has.

I'm well aware OSU has zero right to talk attendance smack anymore and I was merely pointing out the ridiculous irony of the OP and defending OSU. We can rehash this once the season gets into conference play and when people really start rolling out to games against real teams.

Might be a fair point except for the fact that OU's advantage in head to head was not amassed solely in the early 1900's, actually hold a decent advantage in wins over the past 40-50 years.

Here is some good reading for you

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2009/06/27/bedlam-basketball-debate/