OU makes Doolittle suspension official

[skyvue]

Freshmen football and basketball players can't participate in team activities until they attend the first day of summer school classes.

Do all freshmen football players take summer school? I've never heard that. And if not, then we've seen guys play (or at least be eligible for) a late August game before classes had started.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I understand the suspension has nothing to do with grades.

What if he comes back and plays against Wichita State or any of the games after Dec 15 and decides not to enroll in school for the spring semester? He would have played in several games without ever been in school for either semester. Nothing is binding for him to come back to OU.

This isn't like a transfer who is in school for the first semester and becomes eligible immediately after finals. That guy was enrolled in school and is a student. Doolittle isn't a student. If he had been suspended from the team but still a student like Joe Mixon was, it would be different, too. It's just my opininion that he will have to attend a day of class making him a student again before he can play or practice, and the first day of class is Jan 16th. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see how a non-student can play in games.

Freshmen football and basketball players can't participate in team activities until they attend the first day of summer school classes.

Note: I contradict myself because I don't think Polla ever attended class before arriving just before their international tour. I just don't know about Doolittle and when he can play again.

Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Do all freshmen football players take summer school? I've never heard that. And if not, then we've seen guys play (or at least be eligible for) a late August game before classes had started.

I've recently heard to participate in summer drills, you have to be in summer classes...i don't know though.

Maybe there is an intercession class

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If I remember right, you enroll for the next semester before christmas break. So maybe once he is enrolled he is eligible

 

[BoulderSooner]

I understand the suspension has nothing to do with grades.

What if he comes back and plays against Wichita State or any of the games after Dec 15 and decides not to enroll in school for the spring semester? He would have played in several games without ever been in school for either semester. Nothing is binding for him to come back to OU.

This isn't like a transfer who is in school for the first semester and becomes eligible immediately after finals. That guy was enrolled in school and is a student. Doolittle isn't a student. If he had been suspended from the team but still a student like Joe Mixon was, it would be different, too. It's just my opininion that he will have to attend a day of class making him a student again before he can play or practice, and the first day of class is Jan 16th. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see how a non-student can play in games.

Freshmen football and basketball players can't participate in team activities until they attend the first day of summer school classes.

Note: I contradict myself because I don't think Polla ever attended class before arriving just before their international tour. I just don't know about Doolittle and when he can play again.

anyone that plays in the pac 12 and doesn't go to summer school (as in just before their freshman year) wont go to any classes before they play in games

as most of the pac 12 Quarters don't start until mid to late sept ....

 

[usedtobe1]

If I remember right, you enroll for the next semester before christmas break. So maybe once he is enrolled he is eligible

He could enroll in multiple schools, but isn't officially a student until he attends his first class. This summer when we were trying to entice the senior graduate transfers (e.g. MiKyle McIntosh), I remember there was no binding NLI but he would have to attend a class before it was a binding transfer.

 

[skyvue]

He could enroll in multiple schools, but isn't officially a student until he attends his first class. This summer when we were trying to entice the senior graduate transfers (e.g. MiKyle McIntosh), I remember there was no binding NLI but he would have to attend a class before it was a binding transfer.

That's a transfer, though. A student who has attended a school already (and has attended no other school during his enforced down time) may be governed by different rules. I don't know, but I could see where Doolittle's situation would not be the same as a student-athlete transferring in to OU.

 

[CoachTalk]

Staff is expecting him back in December. I assume they know how this will play out. They took him to Australia knowing this was going to happen. I think they feel comfortable with the return ASAP.

 

[usedtobe1]

These links explains incoming freshmen being eligible for summer workouts. It says they just have to be enrolled. That would cover Polla, but I don't know is it applies to Doolittle. Interesting discussion but I'm not sure any of us really knows.....

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8041260/new-rules-allowing-summer-access-benefit-freshmen-coaches-men-college-basketball

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/NCAA%20D%20I%20FB%20Summer%20Conditioning%20and%20%20Access.pdf

 

[AdaSooner]

These links explains incoming freshmen being eligible for summer workouts. It says they just have to be enrolled. That would cover Polla, but I don't know is it applies to Doolittle. Interesting discussion but I'm not sure any of us really knows.....

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/NCAA%20D%20I%20FB%20Summer%20Conditioning%20and%20%20Access.pdf

I'm not an expert on matters like this by any means. Still, it seems to me Doolittle would fall into the category for "Student Athletes Following Completion of the First Year of Collegiate Enrollment," as defined in the NCAA.org link. Assuming he met all of the requirements, except for the academic misconduct Postman77 referred to yesterday, isn't it possible he could make that up through a special session or through an outside mechanism I'm not even vaguely familiar with, serve out his suspension and return to the team to start the second semester?

Postman77 said this:

I have a really solid source that that says that he failed to cite 1 paragraph on a paper. Prof turned him in for plagiarism...which was their right. Obviously, Kristian should have taken care of business better, but hardly an issue that can't be recovered from.

I was told this morning by another source that he had plagiarized a paper in one of his classes, which essentially confirms what Postman was saying.

Coach Kruger said this: “We’re disappointed for Kristian. He made some poor decisions that resulted in his suspension from the university. We will provide support and encouragement as he works to earn the opportunity to rejoin the team at the conclusion of the fall semester.”

I can't imagine Coach Kruger making a public statement that opened the door to Kristian's return if it can't be accomplished in the time frame he outlined? Doolittle is not enrolled in class because he's is serving out his suspension. Still, Coach Kruger and others in the know seem to be certain there is a way he can be back with the team by the second semester. I have to believe that is exactly what will happen, providing he does all of the right things of course.

 

[oudna]

I see, you're saying if he's not in school at all, it's as if he's just taking the semester off. But how does that jibe with "academic progress" the NCAA mandates for athletes to continue to be eligible? Seems like he'd have some catching up to do..

I think you only need 27 credits under your belt to be second season eligible

And 40% done with a degree after 2 full years.

He should be ok in that regards

 

[sperry]

His suspension covers the Fall semester. Once that semester is over he is reinstated and eligible. Same deal for transfers who have to sit out the fall semester, although obviously different circumstances. This is an OU thing, not an NCAA one.