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if i remember right, michigan had a hell of a three or four game wining streak that got a lot of attention
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if i remember right, michigan had a hell of a three or four game wining streak that got a lot of attention
Our records are similar but each of those teams have more quality wins than OU. Michigan has a few really good road wins (Minnesota, Mich St, Wisconsin) and wins over Stanford and Florida St at neutral sites. I think Iowa gets a benefit since all of their losses are to top 25 teams. Plus their OOC wins of Xavier and UTEP trump our win over Mercer.
I still think Iowa is overrated and pretty similar to OU (20-25 range). Michigan is a legit top 15-20 team.
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Minnesota a "really good" road win?
The Gophers lost at home to Northwestern (12-12). They lost on the road to Purdue (14-10) and Nebraska (12-10).
They lost by 21 points at Iowa and by 14 points to Arkansas (4-6 in the mighty SEC) in Hawaii and by 12 to Michigan State.
We have one double-digit loss, to MSU when they were the top-ranked team in the country. And most observers would say that game was closer than that.
I mean, Minnesota's having a decent season, by its typical standards, but a "really good" road win? Seems an overstatement to me.
I know you are probably right; but I would say that for me at least it's about the lack of respect towards what is going on on Norman. I want our program to get noticed and our guys to get the credit they are due. But in the end, they really are arbitrary.
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We also have a win over Texas at Texas. The same team the jumped us when they beat kansas. So now if we beat texas at home, does that make it a bad win?
And yet, winning at Minnesota would be OU's 2nd best road win. We are discussing Michigan versus OU here, not Minnesota versus OU. The point remains that Michigan has better wins than OU to this point. Quit burying yourself on minute details and look at the big picture.
I notice you completely ignored that Michigan beat Wisconsin and Michigan State on the road (whereas we have a win over Texas on the road) and that their non-conference wins versus Stanford and Florida State far surpass our win over Mercer.
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You might benefit from spending some more time looking at the details, as might the voters. That's the biggest problem with most of the voters. They don't really have a clue about the details.
The difference in Iowa's wins and losses and OU's is not nearly as large as you present it. If it were, would we be nine or ten spots above them in the RPI rankings?
I see you caught me before I edited when I did not realize you were discussing the Minnesota road win as part of Michigan's resume, not Iowa's. Iowa is pretty comparable to OU, I said that earlier too. Michigan deserves to be ranked higher.
The point remains that you can not focus too much on Minnesota when the topic is Michigan.
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I was discussing Iowa, but Michigan is just three spots higher than OU in the RPI. I don't think you're giving OU enough credit.
There really isn't any aspect that OU can point to and say we are better than Michigan. They have the same number of losses, the same number of top 25 wins (2), more top 50 wins (5 vs 3), more top 100 wins (9 vs 6), more top 150 wins (13 vs 11), better non-conference wins (FSU and Stanford vs Mercer), and a similar conference record (8-4 vs 7-4). Plus, Michigan played for the National Title last year. Whether it should or not, that matters.
OU will have plenty of chances to move up if we continue to win. The West Va loss came at a bad time in terms of other teams winning, but I have no issue with OU being behind Michigan and even Iowa (who I still say is overrated at 16). And frankly, the rankings do not matter.
As has been pointed out in another thread, we are a 6 seed pretty much everywhere right now, and I think that is fair since I think OU is a top 20-25 team as of today. If we finish 6-1, we are probably around the 15ish range, with a chance to move even higher depending on what others do. There is not a ton of distinction between the teams 12 through 28 so there is some room to move up if OU takes care of business.
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My complaint about rankings is that virtually everyone agrees the Big XII is the best conference yet the AA, Big Ten and ACC all have more ranked teams. How can you have the best conference top to bottom and only have three ranked teams?
The lack of respect OU gets in the rankings doesn't bother me much. Those voters are media folks and/or coaches; one group is biased and the other group is biased and clueless.
What does bother me somewhat are statements made by people like Jimmy Dykes, one of the commentators at our game vs. Baylor Saturday night. Dykes acknowledges that the Big XII is the toughest conference in the country. But then he later adds that he's not sure if the Big XII (Kansas included) plays defense well enough to get a single team into the Sweet 16. Claims the ACC has four teams (Syracuse, Duke North Carolina and – I can't remember the fourth team) that all have excellent shots at making the Round of 16.
Somehow, that's like an oxymoron to me. Just doesn't make sense.
What does bother me somewhat are statements made by people like Jimmy Dykes, one of the commentators at our game vs. Baylor Saturday night. Dykes acknowledges that the Big XII is the toughest conference in the country. But then he later adds that he's not sure if the Big XII (Kansas included) plays defense well enough to get a single team into the Sweet 16. Claims the ACC has four teams (Syracuse, Duke North Carolina and – I can't remember the fourth team) that all have excellent shots at making the Round of 16.
Somehow, that's like an oxymoron to me. Just doesn't make sense.
Hahah wow those people are so dumb! I guess we dropped out of the top 25 cuz of our loss to WV? Well guess what? The Mountaineers are currently laying the SMACK DOWN on "11th ranked team in the nation" Iowa State! Every big 12 team should be ranked except for texas tech & tcu!!
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West Virginia leading Iowa St by 19 points at half time.
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I never said we were better than Michigan -- I said the poll voters (and you) aren't giving us enough credit for our accomplishments, and I stand by it. We're 11 spots behind Michigan in the AP poll and 10 behind Iowa. Sorry, but that's nonsense, given that our record stacks up with theirs and we're 10 spots ahead of Iowa in the RPI and just three spots behind Michigan. We don't have a single bad loss (as far as margin of defeat) and just one (arguably) bad loss when you consider the opponent (La. Tech). And even La. Tech is right there with Nebraska in the RPI (67/69), ten spots ahead of Indiana and thirty spots ahead of Northwestern, three teams Iowa lost to.
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They switch which ones they used based on the story they are trying to sell. I have seen them use both on different weeks when talking about SEC teams and Texas in football.
Well, then you continue fighting the good fight against the prejudice in the polls. It is clearly working.
If you are so much into details, try responding to some in my previous post about how Michigan bests OU in every category. There isn't much difference between 12 and 28 but they are clearly better.
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