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[BCSooners]

Maybe I'm just old and need another cup of coffee.

It just seems like everything is rated more and more based on calculations and advanced metrics instead of wins and loses. Are we going to get to a point where we don't even keep track of loses? WVU has 3 conference wins but are rated higher than virginia? really?

Not everyone in CBB plays the same schedule so sos matters. If not then those teams that are 24-6 in a god awful conference would make it in every year. The ACC is atrocious this year.

I'm elated they calculate these things to get the best at-large teams in.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Maybe the ACC is down but could you be overexaggerating how down they are? They are still a major conference with Duke, NC, ND, etc.

Regardless, I still think it is pretty crazy that a team like Virginia, with a winning record in the ACC, is already considered out while a 5 win conference team is close to the bubble in the big 12.

Analytics are good. but they seem to be relied on too heavy.
Would anyone here really pick OU to beat virginia?

 

[BCSooners]

Maybe the ACC is down but could you be overexaggerating how down they are? They are still a major conference with Duke, NC, ND, etc.

Regardless, I still think it is pretty crazy that a team like Virginia, with a winning record in the ACC, is already considered out while a 5 win conference team is close to the bubble in the big 12.

Analytics are good. but they seem to be relied on too heavy.
Would anyone here really pick OU to beat virginia?

They lost to Navy & James Madison, along with some bad ACC teams. No team in the Big12 is bad. Yes I'd pick OU

 

[BoulderSooner]

Maybe the ACC is down but could you be overexaggerating how down they are? They are still a major conference with Duke, NC, ND, etc.

Regardless, I still think it is pretty crazy that a team like Virginia, with a winning record in the ACC, is already considered out while a 5 win conference team is close to the bubble in the big 12.

Analytics are good. but they seem to be relied on too heavy.
Would anyone here really pick OU to beat virginia?

vegas would ACC has 4 locks

 

[WichitaSooner]

Maybe the ACC is down but could you be overexaggerating how down they are? They are still a major conference with Duke, NC, ND, etc.

Regardless, I still think it is pretty crazy that a team like Virginia, with a winning record in the ACC, is already considered out while a 5 win conference team is close to the bubble in the big 12.

Analytics are good. but they seem to be relied on too heavy.
Would anyone here really pick OU to beat virginia?

Yes, the ACC really does suck that bad this year. Imagine if this season, after KU, the next best teams in our league were, say, Iowa State and TCU. That’s essentially what the ACC is. One really good team, and two or three other teams that will likely make the tournament as relatively low seeds.

And as for your last question, I’d guess that if OU played them on a neutral floor, OU would almost certainly be favored not only by the metrics, but by the people who make billions of dollars setting the lines for the gambling industry. This is a silly argument for you to be making, even if you don’t like metrics and don’t think OU should be in the mix. There about 15 teams ahead of UVA who you could make a better argument for.

 

[WTSooner]

Maybe the ACC is down but could you be overexaggerating how down they are? They are still a major conference with Duke, NC, ND, etc.

Regardless, I still think it is pretty crazy that a team like Virginia, with a winning record in the ACC, is already considered out while a 5 win conference team is close to the bubble in the big 12.

Analytics are good. but they seem to be relied on too heavy.
Would anyone here really pick OU to beat virginia?

The ACC is so big, they don't play all the same schedules. Look at who VA has played in the ACC this year. Then look at who OU has played in the Big 12. OU has had a MUCH tougher schedule. Yes, there are some good teams in the ACC, but VA isn't playing all of them, and certainly isn't playing all of them twice.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This is a silly argument for you to be making, even if you don’t like metrics and don’t think OU should be in the mix. There about 15 teams ahead of UVA who you could make a better argument for.

Just because there are 15 other teams to make this for doesn't invalidate the current argument or make it silly

Nobody might agree with me but this is just another aspect of athletics that makes me watch it less and less. Wins aren't valued near as much as they used to be. Whats the point of playing?

Team A
15-14 overall
5-11 conference
4-8 against ranked teams
Lost 11 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=9


Team B
17-12
11-8 conference
1-2 against ranked teams
Lost 6 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=45

Take the names off...yall really think Team A gets in over Team B?
A SOS of 45 isn't bad. 4 teams in the top 10 have worse SOS.

Call me old fashioned but this isn't even close

 

[dksooner]

Just because there are 15 other teams to make this for doesn't invalidate the current argument or make it silly

Nobody might agree with me but this is just another aspect of athletics that makes me watch it less and less. Wins aren't valued near as much as they used to be. Whats the point of playing?

Team A
15-14 overall
5-11 conference
4-8 against ranked teams
Lost 11 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=9


Team B
17-12
11-8 conference
1-2 against ranked teams
Lost 6 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=45

Take the names off...yall really think Team A gets in over Team B?
A SOS of 45 isn't bad. 4 teams in the top 10 have worse SOS.

Call me old fashioned but this isn't even close

Record down the stretch means nothing now and our sos was #2 as of Saturday, maybe that changed after bedlam.? Net ranking now means more than most things you listed.

 

[CoachTalk]

Just win the next one. Then the next one. then the next one and see what happens.

 

[BCSooners]

Just because there are 15 other teams to make this for doesn't invalidate the current argument or make it silly

Nobody might agree with me but this is just another aspect of athletics that makes me watch it less and less. Wins aren't valued near as much as they used to be. Whats the point of playing?

Team A
15-14 overall
5-11 conference
4-8 against ranked teams
Lost 11 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=9


Team B
17-12
11-8 conference
1-2 against ranked teams
Lost 6 of last 14 games
Plays in major conference
SOS=45

Take the names off...yall really think Team A gets in over Team B?
A SOS of 45 isn't bad. 4 teams in the top 10 have worse SOS.

Call me old fashioned but this isn't even close

Record against ranked teams says it all. One team played 12 ranked teams, the other played 3. Also look at Team A & Team Bs quality wins & bad losses (which they've done in the past) and it's an easy decision.

 

[dksooner]

Just win the next one. Then the next one. then the next one and see what happens.

Agree coach, think we have to win 3 more to have a chance. Our net wont change much beating wvu and kstate

 

[WichitaSooner]

Agree coach, think we have to win 3 more to have a chance. Our net wont change much beating wvu and kstate

KSU would be a quad 1 win. In and of itself, it wouldn’t make a huge difference, but don’t forget that if we win two games this week, we would also move up because teams around us would be losing.

Having said that, I don’t think we have a shot in Manhattan, even if we get by West Virginia.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Record down the stretch means nothing now and our sos was #2 as of Saturday, maybe that changed after bedlam.? Net ranking now means more than most things you listed.

yeah...that is kind of my point. The things that matter more now seem to matter more than wins

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Record against ranked teams says it all. One team played 12 ranked teams, the other played 3. Also look at Team A & Team Bs quality wins & bad losses (which they've done in the past) and it's an easy decision.

Hear me out though...just because one team played more ranked teams doesn't mean that team is better. It means they had more oppurtunities. There is merit in saying one team was tested more than another. But who is to say if Team B played more ranked teams, they wouldn't have come away for more wins? The lack of ranked teams played doesn't mean a team isn't a good team.

A portion of the blame can be put on the team and their scheduling, but it is highly dependent on the quality of other teams in the particular year the schedule was made.

So I don't put a lot of stock into the number of ranked teams played being a good indicator of quality of one team RELATIVE to another team.

 

[BCSooners]

Hear me out though...just because one team played more ranked teams doesn't mean that team is better. It means they had more oppurtunities. There is merit in saying one team was tested more than another. But who is to say if Team B played more ranked teams, they wouldn't have come away for more wins? The lack of ranked teams played doesn't mean a team isn't a good team.

A portion of the blame can be put on the team and their scheduling, but it is highly dependent on the quality of other teams in the particular year the schedule was made.

So I don't put a lot of stock into the number of ranked teams played being a good indicator of quality of one team RELATIVE to another team.

I would agree with that if Virginia was 22-7 instead of 17-12. They've lost a lot to those bad/average teams on a weak schedule.

They might not have the opportunities, but that's their fault. Even if the ACC was good their only quality non-con teams were Houston, Providence, & Iowa. The others are terrible every year. OU's non-con was worst than most years & they still played Florida, Arkansas, UCF, Auburn, & Butler.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

I mean, they play in the ACC. I don't follow national college bball very closely anymore. Is the ACC not considered one of the best conferences still? Have they fallen that much?

Duke is the only ranked team in the entire ACC. Yeah, they’re that down/bad.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

 

[StoopsBros]

Duke is the only ranked team in the entire ACC. Yeah, they’re that down/bad.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

For sure.

Kenpom ratings of every ACC team.

5. Duke
33. Virginia Tech
37. Wake Forest
40. North Carolina
47. Notre Dame
62. Miami
78. Virginia
79. Clemson
86. Syracuse
105. Florida State
130. Louisville
132. North Carolina State
139. Boston College
170. Georgia Tech
181. Pittsburgh

Big 12 for comparison's sake

3. Baylor
7. Kansas
9. Texas Tech
14. Texas
31. Iowa State
44. Oklahoma
51. TCU
52. Oklahoma State
59. Kansas State
66. West Virginia


Combined

3. Baylor
5. Duke
7. Kansas
9. Texas Tech
14. Texas
31. Iowa State
33. Virginia Tech
37. Wake Forest
40. North Carolina
44. Oklahoma
47. Notre Dame
51. TCU
52. Oklahoma State
59. Kansas State
62. Miami
66. West Virginia
78. Virginia
79. Clemson
86. Syracuse
105. Florida State
130. Louisville
132. North Carolina State
139. Boston College
170. Georgia Tech
181. Pittsburgh

 

[WichitaSooner]

For sure.

Kenpom ratings of every ACC team.

5. Duke
33. Virginia Tech
37. Wake Forest
40. North Carolina
47. Notre Dame
62. Miami
78. Virginia
79. Clemson
86. Syracuse
105. Florida State
130. Louisville
132. North Carolina State
139. Boston College
170. Georgia Tech
181. Pittsburgh

Big 12 for comparison's sake

3. Baylor
7. Kansas
9. Texas Tech
14. Texas
31. Iowa State
44. Oklahoma
51. TCU
52. Oklahoma State
59. Kansas State
66. West Virginia


Combined

3. Baylor
5. Duke
7. Kansas
9. Texas Tech
14. Texas
31. Iowa State
33. Virginia Tech
37. Wake Forest
40. North Carolina
44. Oklahoma
47. Notre Dame
51. TCU
52. Oklahoma State
59. Kansas State
62. Miami
66. West Virginia
78. Virginia
79. Clemson
86. Syracuse
105. Florida State
130. Louisville
132. North Carolina State
139. Boston College
170. Georgia Tech
181. Pittsburgh

But to be fair, Ralph Sampson is really good.