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Can't make a blanket judgment about all octagenarians, but I think it's clear JoePa was in no shape to be running a multi-million dollar operation like Penn State football. Watching his public appearances the past few days I fear that most offensive analysis is accurate: that he is slipping into senility.

Of course that was not the case in 2002 or 2003 or 2004 or many of the other years he was helping cover up child rape.

The real takeaway from this story, as with every sports scandal, is this: people need to stop hero-worshiping sports figures.
 
Can't make a blanket judgment about all octagenarians, but I think it's clear JoePa was in no shape to be running a multi-million dollar operation like Penn State football. Watching his public appearances the past few days I fear that most offensive analysis is accurate: that he is slipping into senility.

Of course that was not the case in 2002 or 2003 or 2004 or many of the other years he was helping cover up child rape.

The real takeaway from this story, as with every sports scandal, is this: people need to stop hero-worshiping sports figures.

Maybe that's more wisdom that comes with age. But it's not just sports figures. When I was younger, I might have said 'John Doe (or Jane Smith) is a GREAT person!' Today, I would probably say, 'John Doe (or Jane Smith) seems like a great person!' because you never really know about people.....
 
The real takeaway from this story, as with every sports scandal, is this: people need to stop hero-worshiping sports figures.

It really is sad how some people put figureheads like Paterno on such a pedestal.
 
But this stops at a certain point and declines. What people consider wisdom after age 55-60 is usually just apathy, cynicism and a refusal to learn new things.

Oh wait, let me tell my friend's 94 year old mother, who learned to use a computer within the past 10 years so she could keep up with all her activities and meetings.

Please don't take this personally, but that's one of the dumbest statements I ever heard.
 
Maybe that's more wisdom that comes with age. But it's not just sports figures. When I was younger, I might have said 'John Doe (or Jane Smith) is a GREAT person!' Today, I would probably say, 'John Doe (or Jane Smith) seems like a great person!' because you never really know about people.....

Correct! Pretty much any public figure/entertainer that you don't personally know. There are countless incidents where people who appeared to have it all or be all, were not what they seemed!
 
Here is my take:

As to Paterno, Curley, Schultz, McQueary and anyone else that knew or knew enough that they should have gone to the police and requested an investigation, they should be fired immediately and referred for criminal prosecution.

As to McQueary, if it was my son that he saw getting raped and he ran like a school girl out of the building without trying to stop it, the least of his problems would be employment or legal problems. Let me get this right, he sees a 10 year old boy pinned against the wall being raped and leaves the building without so much as saying a word. I'm ok with this if he is a woman or disabled man, incapable of intervening. But, he is a young athletic man who should of intervened to stop the rape.

As for the way they fired Joe, I think he was treated pretty well for a guy that allowed a pedophile to base his sex activities out of the athletic facilities for 15 years. What does the fact that he is a good guy other than when he is allowing the rape of children under his nose have to do with anything.

Once the penn state admin knew of Sandusky, and did nothing, Sandusky had them by the proverbial "short hairs" and knew they could never turn him in because he owned them, for all intent and purposes. Their original silence made them accessories after the fact, for moral but perhaps not legal, purposes. With each passing day of silence, beginning at least from 1995, it became harder and harder for them to explain their lack of intervention and action. Sandusky owned them and he knew it. His boldness grew. He cut a deal for an emeritus professorship that would give him continued access to occasionally private athletic facilities that would allow him to conduct his criminal enterprises. Joe got to keep his job because of what he knew, and McQueary got promotions and fame because of his silence. They knew where the skeletons were and probably never had to even threaten disclosure to profit. The mob has worked this way forever. They get a police officer or prosecutor to commit even the smallest criminal act and then they own them.

When the dust has settled, it will be the case that hundreds, if not thousands, of young boys were molested by Sandusky. The fact that the appetite of serial child molesters is insatiable is well known and studied. Every social worker, police officer, mental health care professional and prosecutor in the country has been saying since the story broke, that the general public has no idea of the iceberg beneath the slip of ice visable regarding this matter. I spent several years prosecuting child molesters, and perhaps I am biased beyond reason, because I have seen first hand the damage done to children that usually is irreparable.

It will really get interesting when Sandusky starts to talk to police about cutting a deal to get to the bottom of the matter. I hate to say it, but I bet this is a deal that will never be accepted. The penn people want this over and under the rug.

It is inconceivable to me that everyone in the athletic department hadn't heard about the dirty little secret of the department, e.g. Sandusky was a pedophile. You telling me that Curley's secretary tells him that she is sending her kid over to the Second mile with Sandusky saturday and he doesn't say something. Office secrets are hard to keep.

Rant over.
 
Here is my take:

As to Paterno, Curley, Schultz, McQueary and anyone else that knew or knew enough that they should have gone to the police and requested an investigation, they should be fired immediately and referred for criminal prosecution.

As to McQueary, if it was my son that he saw getting raped and he ran like a school girl out of the building without trying to stop it, the least of his problems would be employment or legal problems. Let me get this right, he sees a 10 year old boy pinned against the wall being raped and leaves the building without so much as saying a word. I'm ok with this if he is a woman or disabled man, incapable of intervening. But, he is a young athletic man who should of intervened to stop the rape.

As for the way they fired Joe, I think he was treated pretty well for a guy that allowed a pedophile to base his sex activities out of the athletic facilities for 15 years. What does the fact that he is a good guy other than when he is allowing the rape of children under his nose have to do with anything.

Once the penn state admin knew of Sandusky, and did nothing, Sandusky had them by the proverbial "short hairs" and knew they could never turn him in because he owned them, for all intent and purposes. Their original silence made them accessories after the fact, for moral but perhaps not legal, purposes. With each passing day of silence, beginning at least from 1995, it became harder and harder for them to explain their lack of intervention and action. Sandusky owned them and he knew it. His boldness grew. He cut a deal for an emeritus professorship that would give him continued access to occasionally private athletic facilities that would allow him to conduct his criminal enterprises. Joe got to keep his job because of what he knew, and McQueary got promotions and fame because of his silence. They knew where the skeletons were and probably never had to even threaten disclosure to profit. The mob has worked this way forever. They get a police officer or prosecutor to commit even the smallest criminal act and then they own them.

When the dust has settled, it will be the case that hundreds, if not thousands, of young boys were molested by Sandusky. The fact that the appetite of serial child molesters is insatiable is well known and studied. Every social worker, police officer, mental health care professional and prosecutor in the country has been saying since the story broke, that the general public has no idea of the iceberg beneath the slip of ice visable regarding this matter. I spent several years prosecuting child molesters, and perhaps I am biased beyond reason, because I have seen first hand the damage done to children that usually is irreparable.

It will really get interesting when Sandusky starts to talk to police about cutting a deal to get to the bottom of the matter. I hate to say it, but I bet this is a deal that will never be accepted. The penn people want this over and under the rug.

It is inconceivable to me that everyone in the athletic department hadn't heard about the dirty little secret of the department, e.g. Sandusky was a pedophile. You telling me that Curley's secretary tells him that she is sending her kid over to the Second mile with Sandusky saturday and he doesn't say something. Office secrets are hard to keep.

Rant over.


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As a social worker and child abuse/neglect/sexual abuse Investigator, I can say you are spot on!!! The trauma those kids suffered, and the lasting problems are something the general public has no idea about. Are we really sitting here worried about what an old-outdated coach should have been subjected to in his firing???:facepalm

I don't care what JoPa has done on the field, and what his tenure was like BEFORE he protected a child molester. Everyone involved who sat back on their nittany lion arses should be prosecuted...... The dirty little secret shared by the good ole boys has come to light, and its time for the boys to pay the costs..........
 
If Switzer and Paterno had been hired in the same year then Switzer would've resigned, relatively speaking, in June of.......1982!

Incredible.

Not related to this, but a lot of irony's involved when you mention Switzer and Joe Pa.... Joe Pa had gone on record awhile back disparaging Switzer for his "lack of morality".

Very ironic now with these revelations.
 
Not related to this, but a lot of irony's involved when you mention Switzer and Joe Pa.... Joe Pa had gone on record awhile back disparaging Switzer for his "lack of morality".

Very ironic now with these revelations.

Growing up in Michigan, I'm so glad the B1G Ten moral elitists are getting put in their place this year. :clap
 
Growing up in Michigan, I'm so glad the B1G Ten moral elitists are getting put in their place this year. :clap

Haha, you said it. Ohio State, and now worse Penn State. Not the year that screams "purity" for Big 10 fans.
 
Not related to this, but a lot of irony's involved when you mention Switzer and Joe Pa.... Joe Pa had gone on record awhile back disparaging Switzer for his "lack of morality".

Very ironic now with these revelations.

Even more so now that Switzer is the one being quoted by multiple news sources at this point.
 
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As a social worker and child abuse/neglect/sexual abuse Investigator, I can say you are spot on!!! The trauma those kids suffered, and the lasting problems are something the general public has no idea about. Are we really sitting here worried about what an old-outdated coach should have been subjected to in his firing???:facepalm

I don't care what JoPa has done on the field, and what his tenure was like BEFORE he protected a child molester. Everyone involved who sat back on their nittany lion arses should be prosecuted...... The dirty little secret shared by the good ole boys has come to light, and its time for the boys to pay the costs..........

My thoughts exactly, jmizzy! I have said essentially the same things about Paterno's misguided priorities, just not as eloquently as you. :clap

I have no sympathy for what Penn State's administrators and coaching staff are going through right now. The most important question in this entire ordeal is will the victims of the abuse ever be the same again? I pray they will, but worry that some will never recover completely.
 
Haha, you said it. Ohio State, and now worse Penn State. Not the year that screams "purity" for Big 10 fans.

Don't forget that Michigan got in some trouble and fired Rich Rod over performance and minor NCAA violations. Performance was the primary reason but he was accused of breaking the rules.
 
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As a social worker and child abuse/neglect/sexual abuse Investigator, I can say you are spot on!!! The trauma those kids suffered, and the lasting problems are something the general public has no idea about. Are we really sitting here worried about what an old-outdated coach should have been subjected to in his firing???:facepalm

I don't care what JoPa has done on the field, and what his tenure was like BEFORE he protected a child molester. Everyone involved who sat back on their nittany lion arses should be prosecuted...... The dirty little secret shared by the good ole boys has come to light, and its time for the boys to pay the costs..........

Agreed. I would also like to acknowledge Theo Flurry, a retired NHL player that was molested by his junior high school hockey coach and went public about it to help other young boys. Theo Flurry is about the only person I have seen on TV that gets it. He pretty much said the focus should be on the kids and he also said on National TV that any child that has been molested may reach out to him and he will gladly try to help them, it wasn't their fault and nothing is wrong with the kids. Rather it is the adult that has the problem. Theo Flurry is a courageous man and I admire not just for his athletic ability but also for his heart and courage.
 
Agreed. I would also like to acknowledge Theo Flurry, a retired NHL player that was molested by his junior high school hockey coach and went public about it to help other young boys. Theo Flurry is about the only person I have seen on TV that gets it. He pretty much said the focus should be on the kids and he also said on National TV that any child that has been molested may reach out to him and he will gladly try to help them, it wasn't their fault and nothing is wrong with the kids. Rather it is the adult that has the problem. Theo Flurry is a courageous man and I admire not just for his athletic ability but also for his heart and courage.

Totally agree. I saw him on ESPN last night, and I was very moved by his courage, willingness to speak up on behalf of other victims. We probably can't imagine the number of other famous athletes who wouldn't be able to publicly admit such a thing because of the shame.....
 
My thoughts exactly, jmizzy! I have said essentially the same things about Paterno's misguided priorities, just not as eloquently as you. :clap

I have no sympathy for what Penn State's administrators and coaching staff are going through right now. The most important question in this entire ordeal is will the victims of the abuse ever be the same again? I pray they will, but worry that some will never recover completely.

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Good point Ada.
 
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