Well, say what you want about Capel, but he's 6-3 at the moment in the NCAA Tournament. He's also 5-0 against schools seeded lower or the same as his. No, I don't want him back, but always thought he was a decent bench coach. I don't pretend to know a lot about coaching, but his record at OU in overtime games was 7-0 (or 8-0). I just don't know how anyone can have that record and not at least have some clue as to what they are doing. His biggest problems at OU were that he didn't have a true vision for the program (just recruited bodies sometimes) and he didn't have the charisma or desire to really succeed at OU. Since the Pitt fans were ready to send him packing after last year, I'm not sure he's improved in those areas...but he likely bought himself another couple of years at Pitt after the past few days.
Pittsburg makes NCAA tournament - Capel even better then PM?
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Golloway was a homerun hire if not for the brief mistake of trying to bring in Stephenson, who likely would have done well for a few years. Pete Hughes was terrible and really set the program back.
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I'll just drop this here.....
Porter Moser:
19 seasons as a HC
8 seasons with under .500 record
327-274 (.544 winning percentage)
1 Final Four & 1 Sweet 16
Jeff Capel:
14 seasons as a HC
6 seasons with under .500 record
249-190 (.567 winning percentage)
1 Elite 8, 1 Round of 32, 1 Opening Round (not including this current postseason)
Based on that alone, I'm not sure how you can really separate one from the other, especially by any kind of considerable margin.
Porter Moser:
19 seasons as a HC
8 seasons with under .500 record
327-274 (.544 winning percentage)
1 Final Four & 1 Sweet 16
Jeff Capel:
14 seasons as a HC
6 seasons with under .500 record
249-190 (.567 winning percentage)
1 Elite 8, 1 Round of 32, 1 Opening Round (not including this current postseason)
Based on that alone, I'm not sure how you can really separate one from the other, especially by any kind of considerable margin.
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Thats what I'm saying.. people acting like its night and day. They both are meh, but arguably one is trending up (albeit prolly marginally) while porter is reeling
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look at the jobs each one has had
capel based on duke and his dad has never been at a bad program ..
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We are talking about college coaches, not pro coaches. You can't find the answer to the question 'Who is the better coach?' by looking at stats alone. The other part of the question is who would you want your son to play for in college.
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Amazing how we just ignore the one for one comparison of their tenures at OU. You all astound me sometimes.
Capel has also had 6 straight losing season before this one. He was fired after an abysmal tenure at OU. Not even mentioning the SOS comparison and rank finishing in KP while at OU.
This is just lazy trolling at this point.
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You can list all the stats you want but they don't cover the intangibles. I'm not saying Moser is the best coach ever. I'm saying I would always take him over Capel. When it's all said and done, I want the OU coach to be a coach I would want my son to play for. Capel doesn't come close.
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I don’t disagree about Capel, but how do you know whether you’d want your son to play for Moser? He is losing players left and right and has also had lots of coaches leave in two short seasons. The fact that he is charismatic with the media doesn’t necessarily mean he is a good coach/person to play for. I’m not saying he isn’t, but we don’t know either way at this point.
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What does that have to do with anything? I expect both to be able to recruit appropriately to the jobs they've had, and win against their peers.
It's not easier to win games in the ACC at Pitt than it is to win games at Loyola in the conferences they've been in.
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1. After 15-20 years as HC's, yes, I think I can fairly judge them as coaches based on what they have produced record-wise.
2. You sound a little suspect suggesting you'd want your son to play for Moser and not Capel. Capel hasn't been a good coach, but I'm not aware of a bunch of stuff that should cause you to have that opinion. For me? I wouldn't want my son to play for either coach, because I think both are pretty bad coaches.
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The negative things I heard about Capel far outweigh the negative things I've heard about Moser.
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lol, wtf does even mean? I literally cannot tell what point you are trying to make?
I didn't ignore anything about their tenures at OU because for both (especially Porter), it's a pretty small measure of their entire coaching resume.
You say Capel had 6 straight losing seasons before this one, well, Porter had TEN straight losing conference records at one point, and he is currently on a two year losing conference record streak.
Capel also won 30 games one season while at OU. Will Moser ever do that, even in the weakened SEC (you alls claim, not mine)?
I posted CAREER stats for each. Both have enough of a track record to form an opinion. Neither has shown enough to be considered a good coach, IMO. If you want to stay on Porter's jock because he is the current OU coach, fine. But don't expect me to be sitting next to you.
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I don't know. Will he ever have a player of the quality of BG? And he probably wouldn't have had BG if Taylor hadn't been here.
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blake always wanted to go to OU but if kelvin had stayed as HC taylor would have transferred and BG would not have gone to OU
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Yeah, Capel wasn’t great, but decent. Messed up in recruiting guys that would never come to OU. Moser is worse. He’s just a bad coach with a flash run by having a good team in a weak conference. Similar to Paul Mills who’s a bad coach that has had some success.
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His records the two years after BG left were:
2009-10: 13 wins and 18 losses
2010-11: 14 wins and 18 losses
There is nothing decent about that. I thought he would learn and get better. Having Blake and the rest of Kelvin's players gone exposed him and it wasn't pretty.
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100% horse crap.
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FWIW, i heard the same thing back when
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Capel had a Senior laden team this year....the top three scorers were all seniors. Also, the ACC was darn near historically bad from an advanced metrics standpoint......they were the 6th/7th best conference depending on which site you can reference. Thus Pitt/Capel took advantage of a "way down" conference and scraped together enough wins to make the tournament. They did win a couple of games this past week, so they get credit for that. With all that being said, I'm not ready to say he is a good coach yet. This was his 5th year at Pitt and this is the first time he finished over .500 both in the league and overall. I expect them to regress back to the mean next year.
