Politically Correct Hypocrisy taught at college campuses?

[sheepdogs1]

I hope this helps because I am so tired of this ignorant argument.

This is an example of being tired?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

YOU are the one throwing race in this. Harrison wasn't referring to race at all.

Your comparison is way off. Harrison wasn't calling him an idiot. Harrison was using the word as a general reference. YOU are making the "N" word mean idiot for your little hypo.

Harrisons' meaning was akin to "Kaminsky? F*ck him." That's all. The comment deserves the same treatment whether said by a white or a black player.

Here's the test so you can tell in the future and not get confused ... was the person using the word such that he/she is referring to someone by their skin color or race or culture? Do you think Harrison was referring to Kaminsky's dark skin? His race? His culture?

NO. It was the same as Jeff Lebowski referring to someone as dude. Lebowski saying "dude" doesn't necessarily mean he's referring to the guy as a worker at a ranch. The word has different meanings.

I hope this helps because I am so tired of this ignorant argument.

oh my gosh. it seems like you just want to argue. So a black person calling a white person a N...a is not an insult? Fine.

You have a student athlete saying Eff another student athlete at a national press conference. That is not worthy of punishment?

Would you be fine with an OU player doing this? Do you not think the Kruger would go ape**** on him? Do you not think that if it was spangler or any other white player that the NCAA would have stepped in?

Using vulgarity and unsportmanship at a press conference is a pretty serious offense. But since is involved the N word said by a black guy, he won't get punished.

But let me guess, your response is going to again, have nothing to do with my post and just focus on race.

 

[coolm]

apparently you can't understand my last post. I said take race out of it. Change the N word to idiot or some other insult. You have a player saying Eff that idiot at a press conference. Not worthy of punishment?

no, I understood your post just fine. You still don't understand the whole idea of multiple meanings. You still think any time the "N" word is used then it is an insult (hence your statement above). It is NOT always an insult. The meaning used by Harrison is NOT an insult.

Now the word preceding it made it an insult of sorts. Like I said ... he was essentially saying "F*ck him" not "F*ck that idiot" or "some other insult".

Get it out of your head that the word only has one meaning and it is always derogatory. Sure, the person saying it helps frame the context and their race is a factor in that ... but that's not hypocrisy. That's history. That empirical data.

Understand?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

no, I understood your post just fine. You still don't understand the whole idea of multiple meanings. You still think any time the "N" word is used then it is an insult (hence your statement above). It is NOT always an insult. The meaning used by Harrison is NOT an insult.

Now the word preceding it made it an insult of sorts. Like I said ... he was essentially saying "F*ck him" not "F*ck that idiot" or "some other insult".

Get it out of your head that the word only has one meaning and it is always derogatory. Sure, the person saying it helps frame the context and their race is a factor in that ... but that's not hypocrisy. That's history. That empirical data.

Understand?

thanks for proving my point. Even when I said take out the insult portion and pretend all he said we Eff him you still revert back to the same ol post saying we do not understand the meanings of words.

 

[Swans]

Kentucky could try to punish Harrison by making him come back, but I don't think it will work.

 

[coolm]

oh my gosh. it seems like you just want to argue. So a black person calling a white person a N...a is not an insult? Fine.

You have a student athlete saying Eff another student athlete at a national press conference. That is not worthy of punishment?

Would you be fine with an OU player doing this? Do you not think the Kruger would go ape**** on him? Do you not think that if it was spangler or any other white player that the NCAA would have stepped in?

Using vulgarity and unsportmanship at a press conference is a pretty serious offense. But since is involved the N word said by a black guy, he won't get punished.

But let me guess, your response is going to again, have nothing to do with my post and just focus on race.

Nope. If you actually read my posts I said it deserves the same treatment as any other player accidentally making a heated statement within earshot of a mic after an emotional game.

IF it is glossed over then that is because such a scenario doesn't deserve that much coverage. He was upset after a loss and said "F*ck him". So what? Happens all the time. Coach says "watch your mouth - especially at pressers" and kid says "I am sorry" and life goes on.

But the fact he used the "N" word (which means "him" where Harrison comes from) gets people like you all bent out of shape because the idea of multiple meanings is beyond you.

Learn the difference and get over it.

 

[Section31]

Look ... why don't we settle this for all the people who have this hangup about use of the "N" word.

The word has DIFFERENT MEANINGS. It's not some magic word that only has a detrimental meaning when used by a white person ... but when used by a minority it's fine. The whole point behind your so-called hypocrisy is a mistake.

For example - if you say b!tch in many social settings people may get offended. If you go to a dog show and say it then most of the time it's perfectly acceptable. If you're using it to refer to that beautiful little dog who won the working class then it's fine. If, OTOH, you're referring to the lady who judged your little dog and gave her bad marks then it's offensive. See the difference? It's NOT hypocrisy. It's NOT some magic word. It has different meanings and the context is often a key to how it was intended.

Same with the "N" word. If it's being used to refer to a person by an immutable characteristic such as their race or skin color or culture then it's offensive. HIGHLY offensive because people cant choose those things thus society considers that unfair. However, if it's being used as satire or to refer to a person who is an acquaintance etc... just as a general reference then it is fine. Again, it's NOT some magic word. It has different meanings. This is NOT hypocrisy. SAE frat dude was using it to refer to people by an immutable characteristic. He was NOT using it to refer to people who he was acquainted with in general.

We use the venacular "N word" simply because people like yourself seem to have some problem understanding this concept. NOT some magic word. There is an assumption that minorities aren't using it to refer to a characteristic and are using the other meaning. It's part of the context using a historical reference. Others do not get the benefit of the doubt of that historical reference so their context isn't aided in that manner. It's not hypocrisy. It's not a magic word. It's a matter of which meaning is inferred from the context.

So, please, enough of this dramatic over-sensitization. Frankly it comes off as racist or, at least, rather ignorant.

Far from racist. Ask David Lattin. Prejudice? Sure. Big difference

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Nope. If you actually read my posts I said it deserves the same treatment as any other player accidentally making a heated statement within earshot of a mic after an emotional game.

IF it is glossed over then that is because such a scenario doesn't deserve that much coverage. He was upset after a loss and said "F*ck him". So what? Happens all the time. Coach says "watch your mouth - especially at pressers" and kid says "I am sorry" and life goes on.

But the fact he used the "N" word (which means "him" where Harrison comes from) gets people like you all bent out of shape because the idea of multiple meanings is beyond you.

Learn the difference and get over it.

I have never once heard a player say Eff him at a presser, especially in college and right into the mic. This is ridiculous. Nothing will come of this but it isn't because it isn't a big deal. It's b/c if the NCAa punishes him, they will be attacked by the media as being racists or violating free speech...just like indiana and chick fil a.

Happens all of the time my ass

This has nothing to do with multiple meaning for me. I know the N word doesn't mean what it use to. it has to do with double standards in the media and society

 

[coolm]

thanks for proving my point. Even when I said take out the insult portion and pretend all he said we Eff him you still revert back to the same ol post saying we do not understand the meanings of words.

No, you did NOT say "F him"

I said "F him"

YOU said "F that idiot"

him is not an insult just like the N word there was not an insult

idiot is an insult = you're equating the N word to an insult once again just like I said you were.

you're so focused in on thinking you're correct that you can't even see the other side. step back for a second and see the light.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

No, you did NOT say "F him"

I said "F him"

YOU said "F that idiot"

him is not an insult just like the N word there was not an insult

idiot is an insult = you're equating the N word to an insult once again just like I said you were.

you're so focused in on thinking you're correct that you can't even see the other side. step back for a second and see the light.

learn to ready. I went to F that idiot. And then after you still preached on about the difference of word meanings I went a step further and said just if he said Eff him.

my goodness. the white guilt is strong with you

 

[SoonerBounce13]

you're so focused in on thinking you're correct that you can't even see the other side. step back for a second and see the light.

see the other side? That is all I have done is analyze the situation differently each post but you keep spewing the same bs that has nothing to do with my posts :ez-laugh:

 

[luckyc1423]

Really it's pretty simple.
African Americans can use the "n" word in "non racial" terms
White folks cannot use the "n" word in "non racial" terms

Now adays if you are Caucasian you need to be very careful and aware of what you say/do because the media will make it a huge ordeal.

This is a perfect example. Had this been a white guy saying it (regardless if it was meant racially or not) the media would have made this a huge ordeal.

I don't think Harrison should be punished. But it definitely is a double standard because as mentioned if a white person made the same comment the media would be all over this.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Really it's pretty simple.
African Americans can use the "n" word in "non racial" terms
White folks cannot use the "n" word in "non racial" terms

I think everybody understand this

I don't think Harrison should be punished.

I don't understand how anybody can have this opinion. He directly called out another player and cursed. This isn't the sportsmanship that the NCAA or the universitites want displayed.

 

[Section31]

Nope. If you actually read my posts I said it deserves the same treatment as any other player accidentally making a heated statement within earshot of a mic after an emotional game.

IF it is glossed over then that is because such a scenario doesn't deserve that much coverage. He was upset after a loss and said "F*ck him". So what? Happens all the time. Coach says "watch your mouth - especially at pressers" and kid says "I am sorry" and life goes on.

But the fact he used the "N" word (which means "him" where Harrison comes from) gets people like you all bent out of shape because the idea of multiple meanings is beyond you.

Learn the difference and get over it.

While I tend to agree with you on most things, and I actually agree what Harrison did was fairly harmless, I don't agree that race wasn't a factor in what he said. I think he had a hard time believing a giant white kid just worked them over. Just a sign of immaturity, his culture and basic prejudice.

The problem I have is, if Frank had said "ef that dude", there'd be loads of "Frank is racist" comments made in the media. All I'm saying is if this is harmless, then so is just about anything else anyone could say. Words don't always imply hate and the term racism/racist are used far too often.

 

[coolm]

...just like indiana and chick fil a.

Pretty much tells me all I need to know about the basis of your complaints.

Happens all of the time my ass

Really? you're never heard an athlete say "F*ck you"? Then you don't watch sports very much. He's making that statement in 3rd person and YES it happens all the time. You don't hear it much also because they try not to do it within earshot of a mic.

This has nothing to do with multiple meaning for me. I know the N word doesn't mean what it use to. it has to do with double standards in the media and society

this is pathetic. It's like talking to a conspiracy theorist.It's not double standards. It's double meanings and a problem with people like yourself and the media and some of society understanding that a persons' race adds to the context which let's someone understand the meaning intended.

You refuse to accept this because you refuse to see the other side. You are so locked in assuming you're right and it's all some big conspiracy. If you would just accept that the word has different meanings then you would start to understand. But you refuse.

 

[CMSOONER]

no, I understood your post just fine. You still don't understand the whole idea of multiple meanings. You still think any time the "N" word is used then it is an insult (hence your statement above). It is NOT always an insult. The meaning used by Harrison is NOT an insult.

Now the word preceding it made it an insult of sorts. Like I said ... he was essentially saying "F*ck him" not "F*ck that idiot" or "some other insult".

Get it out of your head that the word only has one meaning and it is always derogatory. Sure, the person saying it helps frame the context and their race is a factor in that ... but that's not hypocrisy. That's history. That empirical data.

Understand?

So then multiple meanings should work both ways?

 

[coolm]

Really it's pretty simple.
African Americans can use the "n" word in "non racial" terms
White folks cannot use the "n" word in "non racial" terms

Now adays if you are Caucasian you need to be very careful and aware of what you say/do because the media will make it a huge ordeal.

This is a perfect example. Had this been a white guy saying it (regardless if it was meant racially or not) the media would have made this a huge ordeal.

I don't think Harrison should be punished. But it definitely is a double standard because as mentioned if a white person made the same comment the media would be all over this.

That's not necessarily true. It's not some magic word. A white person's skin color and race and culture provide a historical context that tends to make a presumption AGAINST the word being used in the "non-flammable" manner. But it can most certainly be used that way by a white person.

I'd suggest you watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

 

[Section31]

No, you did NOT say "F him"

I said "F him"

YOU said "F that idiot"

him is not an insult just like the N word there was not an insult

idiot is an insult = you're equating the N word to an insult once again just like I said you were.

you're so focused in on thinking you're correct that you can't even see the other side. step back for a second and see the light.

It was OBVIOUSLY meant as an insult....I don't care if he was insulting him, but it was.

You hear guys say "eff you" in press conferences all the time? I watch A LOT of sports and I've literally never heard someone say that that I can remember. If I have I certainly wouldn't think it wasn't meant as an insult.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Pretty much tells me all I need to know about the basis of your complaints.

likewise

Really? you're never heard an athlete say "F*ck you"? Then you don't watch sports very much. He's making that statement in 3rd person and YES it happens all the time. You don't hear it much also because they try not to do it within earshot of a mic.

Another case of you not reading posts. We were specfically talking about at press conferences. And in particular, college NCAA pressers. NO I have never heard cursing at press conferences.

this is pathetic. It's like talking to a conspiracy theorist.It's not double standards. It's double meanings and a problem with people like yourself and the media and some of society understanding that a persons' race adds to the context which let's someone understand the meaning intended.

You refuse to accept this because you refuse to see the other side. You are so locked in assuming you're right and it's all some big conspiracy. If you would just accept that the word has different meanings then you would start to understand. But you refuse.

Dude, I already said like 10 times that I understand the word has different meanings lol. Denying that there is a double standard in society though is laughable.

You can go youtube all of the videos of black people threatening to kill white people. You can go google all of the news stories that are exactly like the Ferguson missouri situation except the colors are reversed and you hear nothing about them.

I question the intelligence of anyone that doesn't think the media has bias and double standards. It is their job

 

[IndySooner]

It was OBVIOUSLY meant as an insult....I don't care if he was insulting him, but it was.

You hear guys say "eff you" in press conferences all the time? I watch A LOT of sports and I've literally never heard someone say that that I can remember. If I have I certainly wouldn't think it wasn't meant as an insult.

It wasn't a joke. He was pissed. He didn't like the question. The lack of backlash is pretty pathetic.