Probation hasn't affected Sooners much | The Oklahoman

[OUHoops]

http://newsok.com/probation-hasnt-affected-sooners-much/article/3935005

 

[WTSooner]

And people here jumped all over me when I said "probation" has just about zero effect on recruiting/winning. Heck, I didn't even realize we were still on probation. Just look at the last two classes LK signed while on probation. And somebody the other day had the nerve to blame Kelvin for Indiana not being ranked currently. lol

 

[SoonerTraveler]

And people here jumped all over me when I said "probation" has just about zero effect on recruiting/winning. Heck, I didn't even realize we were still on probation. Just look at the last two classes LK signed while on probation. And somebody the other day had the nerve to blame Kelvin for Indiana not being ranked currently. lol

Exactly.

Some are operating from a false premise, or from misinformation, or from an unfounded bias.

"illegitimi non carborundum" (don't let the bastards get you down)

 

[DenverSooner]

it did impact OU when OU was short a scholarship and had reduced recruiting but the real meat of the probation has been over with for one and half years.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

The loss of one scholarship has minimal effect. Look at OU's current situation, carrying 10 scholarship players when they are allowed 13. Only 8 or 9 players get meaningful minutes in most seasons (although the others contribute much to practice and depth).

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Interesting information about self-reported "secondary Violations."

I haven't thought one second about it since we've been here,” Kruger said. “I didn't even know we were on. We're going to take care of business the right way and we don't spend time thinking about what if we're on probation or what we have to do to get off because we're going to do it according to the rules and not ever think about it.”

A review of recent secondary violations bears that out. In a list of nearly 50 secondary violations the school self-reported to the NCAA, obtained by The Oklahoman through an open records request, only two involved the men's basketball program.

Kruger mentioned an unsigned recruit by name in an interview during the television broadcast of the Sooners' spring football game in April and an athletic department administrator sent a congratulatory tweet to Kruger and his staff following the commitment of a player who signed that day.

 

[CoachTalk]

The only thing that it hurt us was... Rotnie Clark someone was feeding him we were going to miss postseason play and he couldn't take that risk...

 

[WTSooner]

it did impact OU when OU was short a scholarship and had reduced recruiting but the real meat of the probation has been over with for one and half years.

Nonsense. OU almost never has 13 players on scholarship at any given time.

 

[scrybe]

There's probation and then there's probation. The probation OU was given had little-to-no effect. But some probations…well, just think about the blow the Penn State football program suffered a few years ago.

 

[DenverSooner]

Nonsense. OU almost never has 13 players on scholarship at any given time.

Keeping a scholarship for transfers is a strategy many teams use; however, if you are down a scholarship, you then only have 11 guys if you want to keep a scholarship. Restrictions on contacts has an impact. It may be difficult to quantify but it has an impact.

This probation had a negative impact on OU. If nothing else the period of time when it was pending was more difficult.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

It is not all about numbers. The worst impact, IMHO, is the negative publicity. This is never good, but it can also be used against you in recruiting by competing schools.

Like many, I did not even know that the probation period was still in effect. The effect of the negative publicity goes cold in a relatively short time.

 

[WTSooner]

Keeping a scholarship for transfers is a strategy many teams use; however, if you are down a scholarship, you then only have 11 guys if you want to keep a scholarship. Restrictions on contacts has an impact. It may be difficult to quantify but it has an impact.

This probation had a negative impact on OU. If nothing else the period of time when it was pending was more difficult.

It was one scholarship for Kruger's first year. The year he came in, and had a very small window to find anybody. He found us Grooms and Arent.

Do you really think it hurt our program that he couldn't offer somebody else that year? We weren't going to be an attractive landing spot for transfers.

And for the record, I'm counting Honore as the 12th scholarship kid that year. I vaguely remember there being some talk that he wasn't even on scholarship that season.

 

[DenverSooner]

And for the record, I'm counting Honore as the 12th scholarship kid that year. I vaguely remember there being some talk that he wasn't even on scholarship that season.

He was one of those guys that nobody seemed to know.

I think probation impacts teams. I don't think a single scholarship has a huge impact but it does impact a team.

 

[garyeb2]

It was one scholarship for Kruger's first year. The year he came in, and had a very small window to find anybody. He found us Grooms and Arent.

Do you really think it hurt our program that he couldn't offer somebody else that year? We weren't going to be an attractive landing spot for transfers.

And for the record, I'm counting Honore as the 12th scholarship kid that year. I vaguely remember there being some talk that he wasn't even on scholarship that season.

Honore was always a walkon. And for the record, Grooms was a Capel recruit. I thought Kruger did a good job by coming in and holding him together and getting him in.

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm pretty sure that the probation did have some affect on not getting Rotnei Clark. There may have also been a negative impact behind the scenes that we don't know about - such as a rival coach reminding high school parents that Oklahoma has had two recent bouts of probation inside the men's basketball program. Things like that certainly don't help. Regardless, I can't think of a reason why there should be any impact with current or future recruiting classes.