Recruiting

[Sooners4Life0101]

If our players are as good as Baylor's, maybe it is our coaching that is not as good.

We clearly got outcoached. We clearly got out played.

We are not any less in ether category.

When you play good teams- You can't go 3-20 at any point of the game. We missed what 10-12 straight shots? If you do that in the NBA, sportcenter would do a special on it. That does not happen. And quite of a few of those shots, we were WIDE OPEN. Thats not x's and o's. We just were not hitting- and we complicated it with turnovers. Anybody could of beat us last night. But I am watching the game as we speak, we did not lose because of superior players.

 

[sybarite]

If our players are as good as Baylor's, maybe it is our coaching that is not as good.

I've had enough. Like Vinny, you are on ignore.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Good, because if you agreed with me, I would stop posting. You have been rambling for days about how we have a whole roster of WNBA players and we don't have a lack of talent. That says all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.

Again, I said 2- Norm.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Good, because if you agreed with me, I would stop posting. You have been rambling for days about how we have a whole roster of WNBA players and we don't have a lack of talent. That says all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.

I was respectful to 3 others. But i don't actually believe they are heading there.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Of course it goes back to high school recruiting. That's a given. What some on here like to do is look at the number associated with a particular player (such as she was ranked #35 in the country) and they assume we signed a great player. It isn't that simple. What they should look at is, what are their high school stats (if they are bad in high school, they aren't likely to improve in college), what is their ranking by the various recruiting services, and which universities are recruiting that player. Combined, that is MUCH more indicative of that players potential. If they are ranked #35 and Geno and Muffet is recruiting them, I want that player. If she is ranked #20 and not one top 10 program is on her recruiting list, there is a reason. Those players should come with a warning that says, "even though I am ranked by ESPN, recruit me with caution."

Some rankings are spot on. Some are insane. Geno is good cause he's one of the best coaches to ever live, men or women. But we have the horses- I am watching the game. We match up well w the Legendary Baylor High School All-stars. We beat ourselves.

If it was all about when ESPN thought of you players in high school Texas would be undefeated.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Again, I said 2- Norm.

Following is what you have said:

This game has very little to do with scoring, though, getting Gioya going again will be beneficial, it'll be the secondary things that wins this game.

I'm pretty certain scoring (or a lack thereof) played a huge roll in us ending up on the wrong side of the scoreboard.

I think we are just as good as them. We don't have to have everyone playing our their minds, they are not Uconn.

:ez-laugh:

I wouldn't leave out Manning of Professional Basketball talk.

You quoted the following: If we actually do what we can do, we can win. Gioya can be the best scorer on the court. Peyton can be the person who takes advantage of the loose balls that will result from a defensive struggle. Maddie could be the one who drives against a pressure defense. Kay Kay could put Agbuke and Davis in foul trouble. But, we have to do what we can do, now have off games from anyone.

But, then, Baylor has a bit of the same problem. They aren't dominant this year. They just win when they should.

Your response: Exactly how I feel. The team that executes better will win.

Syrabrite. I absolutely agree with everything you say. If Manning stays healthy and gets stronger she is going pro- there is no stopping that.

Gioya will be there as well.

Sharane is a tweener cause she really doesn't have a position. Can she guard 2's and 3's at that level? Can she handle the ball at that level? Not sure.

KK is actually very skilled and has decent size for a 4, so I won't rule her out. But she needs to improve.

Did you really just say you wouldn't rule Kaylon out?????????????? :ez-laugh: Newsflash, you can go ahead and rule her out. Don't wait!

If Maddie is a future WNBA player, someone needs to tell Sherri so she can start playing her now. That would be really dumb to have a future WNBA star and keep them on the bench. :ez-laugh:

Maddie is regularly compared to a women drafted #3 overall. You certainly didn't hear that from me!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, you need to call Sherri.

I could go on but I think this is enough. Everyone gets the picture.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Sooners4Life0101, I don't have a habit of calling people out but when you go overboard to try to make others look bad while telling everyone how much you know, I may have something to say about it.

Now, if you want to get along, we can do that. It's up to you.

 

[sybarite]

Actually, Norm, we do get the picture. You much more knowledgeable about basketball than Sherri because you are male. and you played highschool basketball somewhere.

But, you seem to have missed a few things. There is a reason that Maddie is not yet playing. Not all future pros are able to play at all times in college. Maddie wasn't really very good last year. She was a bit slow while trying to cover driving guards, probably due to her cast and braces. Now that the cast is off, I guess that we should assume that she will immediately play at her potential.

Let's not forget that Maddie was called the future Stacy Dales by Sherri. I think Sherri met Stacy once. May know a little about her. I know that Stacy wasn't all that good, not on ESPN's recruiting radar. Then, there was Billy Tubbs who has commented on the fact that Maddie is the best pure shooter on the OU team. He has seen her in practice. He also has commented that he can't wait for her to develop.

But, I'm not all that sure that Billy played highschool basketball. Maybe he isn't as knowledgeable as I thought he was.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

lol... O. My. God.


I literally stand by everything I said about the Baylor game. They aren't Uconn. Weird how the game came down to who executed huh Norm?? We certainly didn't and they certainly did. We were not outmanned however.


If you don't see a 6'2 guard, (started as a point guard) that can pass, shoot, drive and handle the ball- GAURDS 4 POSITIONS. Exceptional Hands, and is explosive. A GREAT prospect. Then your just an idiot, Norm. She LEADS ARE TEAMS IN BLOCKS. You know how athletic you have to be to block a Nina Davis shot in the open court????????? Look how dumb she makes everyone else look. Maddie makes some mental errors and gets yanked after them. I don't think fairly either. But If you question her Talent, you just have no clue what you are talking about. Maddie is not an aggressive scorer, in an offense the predicated on shooting the basketball- Her on knock. She will- adjust. Ive seen her become more aggressive every game and I would say it looks pretty good when she does.



KK has a wide range of post moves and is quick. She has some downsides, but she's is an athletic big. Like i said though bud, I gave respectful consideration to 3.
I think Maddie and Gioya are the only ones going. -- If Gioya is really the Gioya that we saw at the begining of conference. Teams are loading up on her left handed Crossover, and turning her into a jump shooter- has yet to adjust.



And Lets revisit........ lol

"Is it my imagination or do men make a greater effort to extend their arms upward when shooting jump shots than do the girls? It seems than girls shoot those jump shots out to 10ft. without really reaching as high as they can which makes it easier to block their shots." -SoonerNorm

lol... Im done.

 

[SoonerNorm]

lol... O. My. God.


I literally stand by everything I said about the Baylor game. They aren't Uconn. Weird how the game came down to who executed huh Norm?? We certainly didn't and they certainly did. We were not outmanned however.


If you don't see a 6'2 guard, (started as a point guard) that can pass, shoot, drive and handle the ball- GAURDS 4 POSITIONS. Exceptional Hands, and is explosive. A GREAT prospect. Then your just an idiot, Norm. She LEADS ARE TEAMS IN BLOCKS. You know how athletic you have to be to block a Nina Davis shot in the open court????????? Look how dumb she makes everyone else look. Maddie makes some mental errors and gets yanked after them. I don't think fairly either. But If you question her Talent, you just have no clue what you are talking about. Maddie is not an aggressive scorer, in an offense the predicated on shooting the basketball- Her on knock. She will- adjust. Ive seen her become more aggressive every game and I would say it looks pretty good when she does.



KK has a wide range of post moves and is quick. She has some downsides, but she's is an athletic big. Like i said though bud, I gave respectful consideration to 3.
I think Maddie and Gioya are the only ones going. -- If Gioya is really the Gioya that we saw at the begining of conference. Teams are loading up on her left handed Crossover, and turning her into a jump shooter- has yet to adjust.



And Lets revisit........ lol

"Is it my imagination or do men make a greater effort to extend their arms upward when shooting jump shots than do the girls? It seems than girls shoot those jump shots out to 10ft. without really reaching as high as they can which makes it easier to block their shots." -SoonerNorm

lol... Im done.

Yep, I asked that question because our girls would get a lot fewer shots blocked if they extended their arms straight up when shooting short jumpers. It's a fact. Of course, I'm sure you disagree with that too.

Now, I gave you a chance to be sensible and get along but your answer was to post more of the same nonsense. So, you have now joined Syb on the ignore list. Congrats! :ez-laugh:

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Sooners4Life0101, I don't have a habit of calling people out but when you go overboard to try to make others look bad while telling everyone how much you know, I may have something to say about it.

Now, if you want to get along, we can do that. It's up to you.

If you reply to me with :facepalm

And we have opposite evaluations- Im sorry, I'm coming after you. I can certainly play nice with you Norm- But I do know basketball. Ive played it, I've studied it. It doesn't mean you don't deserve an opinion on what you see- some things really are a matter of opinion... But if you come at me, you better expect me coming back- norm.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Yep, I asked that question because our girls would get a lot fewer shots blocked if they extended their arms straight up when shooting short jumpers. It's a fact. Of course, I'm sure you disagree with that too.

Now, I gave you a chance to be sensible and get along but your answer was to post more of the same nonsense. So, you have now joined Syb on the ignore list. Congrats! :ez-laugh:

lol o no. not the ignore list.

The only difference on anyones standard jump shot is the variance in how high they jump- Glad we could get that sqaured away, and I can move on. have a nice day ya'll

Can't wait for Feb. 25

 

[sybarite]

When I confront Norm, I would like some things understood. I appreciate what Norm has done with this board. He is valuable in bringing the prospect board to light. He has generated some useful discussion.

Norm is kind of the generic troll in this case. With every opportunity, there are those who seem to have the qualifications that I ascribed to Norm that show up to, once again, denounce Sherri. Since I have absolutely no respect for such posts, I tend to regard their source as being somehow biased, sexist,, and uninformed as to the history of the program, much less its presence.

Let me make this clear. People a lot more about basketball than the combined resources of this board regard Sherri as one of the best, one of the game's icons. I doubt that many of them would want the OU job, and they all appreciate what she has brought to the game and to OU. If you can only perceive the single lens reflex shot of a single moment of time after a loss, I would suggest that you watch the entire movie. It has been an epic.

 

[YCN]

Baylor has better faster guards the reason I believe this case it's style of play. Baylor is a fast break team that can beat you off the dribble. OU is a jump shooting team with guards who don't like contact. Until OU addresses the lack of physical play they will struggle against teams that play physical.
Even the post players are soft look at KK at 6'6 she should be averaging 15 point and 15 rebounds and she does not.
Coach Coale needs players who are mean and aggressive and that are not afraid of contact. I believe signing Ana was a great start,if they offer Jo'han and Taylor that would be great for the team as for as physical guards. All three of these ladies don't run from contact and are mean something you need in the Big 12.
Like Charles Barkley says jump shooting teams don't stay long in the playoffs you have to get to basket and make lay-ups and free throws.

KK is nowhere near 6'6, so I don't understand your statement.

 

[Soonerbay]

Of course it goes back to high school recruiting. That's a given. What some on here like to do is look at the number associated with a particular player (such as she was ranked #35 in the country) and they assume we signed a great player. It isn't that simple. What they should look at is, what are their high school stats (if they are bad in high school, they aren't likely to improve in college), what is their ranking by the various recruiting services, and which universities are recruiting that player. Combined, that is MUCH more indicative of that players potential. If they are ranked #35 and Geno and Muffet is recruiting them, I want that player. If she is ranked #20 and not one top 10 program is on her recruiting list, there is a reason. Those players should come with a warning that says, "even though I am ranked by ESPN, recruit me with caution."

It's a slow day at the office...just a little research based on the importance of recruiting HIGH SCHOOL players.

Back to recruiting…the crux of the problem. It’s not only that we are not getting top 10 types (and I say “types” because there are always some kids below the radar…not often, but every blue moon), but the types of recruits that are brought in are sometimes not: the right fit from a skill and need perspective, overrated, don’t have a “toughness” (mental and physical…and you need it in 2015 in the women’s college game) about them, lack a “gotta win” attitude. If you claim the NC is the “goal” every year, then you have to RECRUIT like it is and not just sound good during media day.

Not picking on NKornet, but let’s take her for example. IMHO…
1. She was the 20th overall player in 2012 and the 6th guard behind Jewell Loyd (ND), Jordan Adams (USC), Nirra Fields (UCLA), Brianna Butler (Syracuse) and Kahleah Cooper (Rutgers), but she was OVERRATED because the club team that she played for made her a better player (set screens, got her open shots, etc). Comparisons to date…

Top 3 guards in 2012

Jewell Loyd
http://www.und.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/jewell_loyd_806228.html

Jordan Adams
http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/jordan_adams_800811.html

Nirra Fields
http://www.uclabruins.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=207913457&DB_OEM_ID=30500

3 Ranked Lower than NKornet

25th Danielle Ballard
http://www.lsusports.net/fls/5200/assets/docs/wb/14stats/plyr_32.htm

31st Brittney Sykes
http://www.cuse.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=11088&path=wbasket

32nd COURTNEY WALKER (Remember her?) Geez…recruiting fiasco at it’s best!
http://www.12thman.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205518878&DB_OEM_ID=2730


2. Same thing happened with EArriaran (Texas). She was #1 on Parade (CParis was #1 with USA Today and Naismith and the McD’s 2005 MVP). She never quite lived up to the ranking after arriving in college….not even before she had injury problems. NKornet also played in a very small, uncompetitive high school league. This is the part that “high school preparation “ plays. Players like CParis and AParis were playing against SFowles (two classes ahead of them), MCurry, CParker, KToliver, MColeman, EPrince, KVaughn, AWaner…during club ball in the summer. Their school scheduled games (or in the playoffs/state championships) against teams that had CWiggins, DHampton, AGray-Lawson and they SCHEDULED games against the top Arkansas school and the top Texas school, flew them to CA, put them up in a hotel, fed them, took them to see the Golden Gate Bridge and beat them. NKornet’s school and club team was not competing at that level.

3. She also “considered” Stanford, Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Did UCONN, ND, TENN, Baylor, Texas not offer? That might have been a sign. Maybe they did their recruiting homework. Everyone should consider Stanford if you qualify and they offer, but did she know her family might move back to TN?

To compete successfully in this conference and beyond, you need mentally and physically strong players…athleticism and winning attitudes. This years team has a little of that in a few players, but not enough overall. Nice girls it seems…but no one is in their locker room saying “I will be glad when _________ from OU graduates”. Not last year, the year before, the year before that, or this year. Recruiting is going to have to catch up…quickly…to have any success (late in the dance, FF or beyond) the next five years. We are barely smelling the top 25.

 

[YCN]

Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I thought Maddie was maybe the least effective player OU played last night. She really didn't do much of anything last night other than looking confused and completely out of her league.

She has a long way to go. I'm not sure that she can get there.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I thought Maddie was maybe the least effective player OU played last night. She really didn't do much of anything last night other than looking confused and completely out of her league.

She has a long way to go. I'm not sure that she can get there.

I couldn't agree more, YCN. Hopefully, she gets it going in the remaining games but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I thought Maddie was maybe the least effective player OU played last night. She really didn't do much of anything last night other than looking confused and completely out of her league.

She has a long way to go. I'm not sure that she can get there.

I respectfully, couldn't disagree more. She blocked a shot form Nina Davis in the open court- how many players do we have that could do that? That needs to play. Hardly anybody scores on her. We get caught up in offense watching OU, she's a defensvie animal.

And I believe she has an unlimited supply of offensive talent that has yet to come together on a consistent basis. Actually, I don't believe it- I've seen it. We all have... but I don't feel that negatively judging a player on 2-3 minute intervals is really worth our time ether. I guess we'll see when Sherri decides to play her more.
Every game she played north of 10 minutes I was very impressed. I think she is being benched for turnovers- But I do think she is close, and ready to turn the corner-- to become great. But maybe I'm in the minority.

None the less you opinion is certainly respected.

 

[sybarite]

I respectfully, couldn't disagree more. She blocked a shot form Nina Davis in the open court- how many players do we have that could do that? That needs to play. Hardly anybody scores on her. We get caught up in offense watching OU, she's a defensvie animal.

And I believe she has an unlimited supply of offensive talent that has yet to come together on a consistent basis. Actually, I don't believe it- I've seen it. We all have... but I don't feel that negatively judging a player on 2-3 minute intervals is really worth our time ether. I guess we'll see when Sherri decides to play her more.
Every game she played north of 10 minutes I was very impressed. I think she is being benched for turnovers- But I do think she is close, and ready to turn the corner-- to become great. But maybe I'm in the minority.

None the less you opinion is certainly respected.

YCN, I tend to agree with this with some reservations. I don't think she had a really good game, but it wasn't a bad game. Maddie, like Peyton, bears a bit of watching to see the total effect that she is having. I find it interesting that she has actually blocked enough shots in some games to have opposing guards alter their shots to avoid her. Her long arms are difficult to shoot over, and she doesn't get called for fouls for blocking shots. She is also pretty effective on the boards. She had a rather questionable charging call last night, she missed a running baseline jumper, and she made a mistake resulting in a turnover when she was about to pass to Peyton, but someone jumped out, and she traveled as a consequence. But, a lot of Maddie's turnovers are the result of someone with stone hands.

Right now, Maddie is not doing all that well in the past three games. I think she is reticent to do some things. I would do what Sherri told her in the Texas game that she took over (and we won). I would tell her to shoot and make things happen. Get people moving. We had nobody forcing our offense to move last night. It's Maddie or Gioya that must move it. I think Maddie will settle down if she has the time, and nobody else is doing that job.

 

[YCN]

YCN, I tend to agree with this with some reservations. I don't think she had a really good game, but it wasn't a bad game. Maddie, like Peyton, bears a bit of watching to see the total effect that she is having. I find it interesting that she has actually blocked enough shots in some games to have opposing guards alter their shots to avoid her. Her long arms are difficult to shoot over, and she doesn't get called for fouls for blocking shots. She is also pretty effective on the boards. She had a rather questionable charging call last night, she missed a running baseline jumper, and she made a mistake resulting in a turnover when she was about to pass to Peyton, but someone jumped out, and she traveled as a consequence. But, a lot of Maddie's turnovers are the result of someone with stone hands.

Right now, Maddie is not doing all that well in the past three games. I think she is reticent to do some things. I would do what Sherri told her in the Texas game that she took over (and we won). I would tell her to shoot and make things happen. Get people moving. We had nobody forcing our offense to move last night. It's Maddie or Gioya that must move it. I think Maddie will settle down if she has the time, and nobody else is doing that job.

Maddie played 7 minutes last night, so if you multiply her statistics by 6 she would have been 0-12 from the field, with 18 rebounds and 6 fouls, 12 turnovers and 6 blocked shots. Hoopla! score -6, one of the worst in the conference for this session.