RIDICULOUS recruiting

[garyeb2]

How is it bad for the college game to have Carmelo, Kevin Durant, John Wall, Anthony Davis, etc for even 1 year?

The ridiculous argument is that it would be better if they never played college ball. News flash. Talent is the only reason to watch. It was bad for college ball that Kobe & Lebron didn't play a year. Not the other way around.

If you don't care about talent then watch the women and their junior high level ball.

NEWS FLASH. There is more than one reason to watch college ball. I watched every minute of every OU game in the three years previous to this past one. An abundance of talent flying around the court wasn't the reason.

Players coming and the going after one year is disruptive to any program. The pro teams need to get in the business of developing and funding their own farm clubs.

 

[oSuJeff97]

How is it bad for the college game to have Carmelo, Kevin Durant, John Wall, Anthony Davis, etc for even 1 year?

The ridiculous argument is that it would be better if they never played college ball. News flash. Talent is the only reason to watch. It was bad for college ball that Kobe & Lebron didn't play a year. Not the other way around.

If you don't care about talent then watch the women and their junior high level ball.

You're picking outliers to make your point.

The college game might miss some once-every-10-years guys like Durant, John Wall, or a once-in-a-generation guy like Lebron, but it would benefit much more by having mid-first/second round guys stay 2-3 years, and not punch out after one year so their agent can make a quick buck.

Think about last year's Kentucky team. Did any of those guys, outside of Anthony Davis, really need to come out after last year?

Think how exciting it would have been watching that Kentucky team again this year.

 

[PeteHoops]

How is it bad for the college game to have Carmelo, Kevin Durant, John Wall, Anthony Davis, etc for even 1 year?

The ridiculous argument is that it would be better if they never played college ball. News flash. Talent is the only reason to watch. It was bad for college ball that Kobe & Lebron didn't play a year. Not the other way around.

If you don't care about talent then watch the women and their junior high level ball.

I can barely sleep thinking about how I missed the opportunity to watch Robert Swift, Kwame Brown and Ricky Sanchez don a college jersey.

This is an easy fix. Straight to the NBA or at least 2 years in college. If you choose to go straight to NBA and don't make it the local NBDL team can pick you up cheap.

 

[bocabull]

O it would absolutely be better for the college game if NBA caliber players were forced to play more than 1 season. My point is 1 is better than none. Certainly every OSU fan would love Smart to play another season but I can't imagine an OSU fan thinking it would have been better if he never suited up.

1 year is not enough for most players but for Carmelo, KD, etc it clearly was. How do you deny them a living?

 

[OKUman]

Easy fix, 12 hours of classes each semester and a 2.5 GPA. A real student.

 

[Smash Williams]

NBA players union. I don't understand exactly why they have taken their current position.

While there are some NBA veterans that are opposed to the age limit, most of them stand to benefit from delaying entry of future players. NBA teams have a lot more patience with 18-year-olds than with 21- or 22-year-old rookies; due to the former group having more untapped potential, they'll be given more time to develop, whereas an older rookie is given a shorter timetable to prove himself. Only the first two years of the rookie contract of a first-round pick are guaranteed; a first rounder straight out of high school is more likely to get the benefit of the doubt for those team-option third and fourth years than an older player who spent multiple years in college. Aside from Gerald Green, I can't even think of a first round pick out of high school who didn't get his fourth-year option exercised, whereas there are a number of very high picks who didn't even get that last option year after spending multiple years in school (i.e. Thabeet, Flynn, Jordan Hill, Joe Alexander, Terrence Williams). Thus, those younger players are more likely to occupy a roster spot despite not being ready to play, thereby leading to fewer jobs for borderline-quality veterans.

Therefore, it was an easy concession to make in labor negotiations, as it was a move that didn't hurt the players who were currently in the league.

 

[badger]

Question: So UConn's graduation rates kept em outta the postseason this season (technically last season, but yknow what I mean). How soon do these one-and-dones catch up with UK and Cali and cause them to get NCAA'd?

Is the answer "ever" or "never"

 

[TheGimper]

Question: So UConn's graduation rates kept em outta the postseason this season (technically last season, but yknow what I mean). How soon do these one-and-dones catch up with UK and Cali and cause them to get NCAA'd?

Is the answer "ever" or "never"

If your players leave in good academic standing then it does not count against your graduation rate.

 

[BoulderSooner]

NBA players union. I don't understand exactly why they have taken their current position.

it is better for their current members ... keeping out the young players keeps spots in the nba for veterans

the rule very well may change to 2 years of college /20 in the future ..

 

[badger]

it is better for their current members ... keeping out the young players keeps spots in the nba for veterans

the rule very well may change to 2 years of college /20 in the future ..

Would that just make some kids seriously consider overseas opportunities instead of college?

What is the intended effect here --- less kids in the NBA, or more kids staying in school?

 

[Sooner-Bred]

Question: So UConn's graduation rates kept em outta the postseason this season (technically last season, but yknow what I mean). How soon do these one-and-dones catch up with UK and Cali and cause them to get NCAA'd?

Is the answer "ever" or "never"

Players who leave early for the NBA are not counted against APR.

UCONN just had 4 year players who weren't even close to graduating.

Plus, many of Kentucky's NBA guys are still working towards their degrees.

I believe I read that John Wall and Brandon Knight are close to graduating.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Would that just make some kids seriously consider overseas opportunities instead of college?

What is the intended effect here --- less kids in the NBA, or more kids staying in school?

i think it would make some kids consider going over seas ... or just going to the dleague (they can do this now) and then go into the draft when eligible


for the NBA it does 2 things from the league POV 1. it raises the level of play in the league with the thought being that you dont' have to "waste" roster spots on as many developmental players and instead can have "real" pros

2. it takes some of the risk out of the draft ... are there still going to be busts sure but watching a guy play in college for a year lets you know more than just watching him in high school ..


from the NBAPA pov it lets their current membership keep jobs longer and keeps more money in the hands of vets ..(which is why the rookie salary scale passed so easily)

 

[BoulderSooner]

Players who leave early for the NBA are not counted against APR.

UCONN just had 4 year players who weren't even close to graduating.

Plus, many of Kentucky's NBA guys are still working towards their degrees.

I believe I read that John Wall and Brandon Knight are close to graduating.

players that leave are counted ... but if you are in good standing when they leave the school is not hurt

 

[MercedeSooner]

Should make it 2 years and call it a day - NBA players association doesn't want these kids taking up roster spots while a majority of them are being babysat for a couple years before developing - in essence taking away a roster spot from a veteran who could actually help a team now.

Like someone said college bball is a free developmental league, they just have to stop this 1 and done thing that people have been harping on for years as nonsense.

 

[DenverSooner]

Would that just make some kids seriously consider overseas opportunities instead of college?

What is the intended effect here --- less kids in the NBA, or more kids staying in school?

The intended effect for the NBA on the Union side is protection of existing jobs/members. The intended effect of the owners would be to minimize risk on their investments. Getting to see another year of development would make the risk of a flop less likely, although they are still going to happen.

 

[badger]

make the risk of a flop less likely

heh heh... I think the risk of flopping in the NBA happening is still quite high :ez-roll:

:facepalm

 

[SilliSooner]

The crazy thing is that every fan, commentator, media outlet, etc., seems to agree with this sentiment.... and yet nothing gets done about it.

Who is the body that would be required to act here? The NBA? The NCAA? Both?

Seriously... let kids go straight to the NBA if they want, but if you decide to go to college, you have to be there at least 3 years, just like football and baseball.

Everyone seems to agree that would help the college game tremendously, it would also likely help a lot of the kids who declare and aren't really ready... and yet nobody seems to have the balls/will/ability to make it happen.

What gives?

I think a two year requirement is around the corner and I think the NBA players association will gun it through. Then Cal will have to get kids in school for the second semester which might become not so easy.

 

[Sawyer]

Calipari doesn't have to cheat at Kentucky. It's a legendary program and a place truly obsessed with basketball. Players know they can show up for a year or two, challenge for a national title, live like kings and go make millions when they're done. Calipari's convinced recruits that they can market themselves better by playing together than by going to a lesser school and being a star there. And he's right. Not many coaches/schools could pull it off, but Cal/UK can. I don't doubt he was a massive cheater at Memphis and UMass, though.

I don't see the system as anything to complain about.

 

[WTSooner]

Calipari doesn't have to cheat at Kentucky. It's a legendary program and a place truly obsessed with basketball. Players know they can show up for a year or two, challenge for a national title, live like kings and go make millions when they're done. Calipari's convinced recruits that they can market themselves better by playing together than by going to a lesser school and being a star there. And he's right. Not many coaches/schools could pull it off, but Cal/UK can. I don't doubt he was a massive cheater at Memphis and UMass, though.

I don't see the system as anything to complain about.

There are more ways to cheat than just paying players to come to your school. Especially with the ones that stay for two years, there are concerns about how some of them stay eligible. Not just a UK problem, but they probably have the most guys that are only around a year or two.

 

[152219]

LOL at anyone who doesn't think UK players aren't getting money to choose the Wildcats