sam godwin

BoulderSooner said:
now that i very much agree with .. . Godwin over northweather ..

but i think for the most part going small is better then godwin or northweather ..
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Reminds me since I am on a one week no-criticize policy of Moser after the Texas game. I thought he did a nice job of managing the lineup at Texas as he did in the 2nd half against Mizzou. I wanted to see a little more Forsythe against Texas but that is just an opinion and not a criticism.
 
TEvans4Three said:
Listen, I want him healthy if he can help and play like he has the last few games, but let's not act like he is a world beater. He is a bench big, starting G5 center.

He has had 4, maybe 5, good games all year.

The only SEC games he played okay (serviceable) in were: Bama, A&M (pushing this one), Miss St, Ole Miss, Missouri.

I am glad he is finally figuring it out, but prior to Miss St game he was unplayable almost all year. Moser would even agree, bc he didn't hit over 20 MPG very often come SEC time until lately.
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bama -10 tamu 2 mississippi st -8 ole miss -9 missouri 13 (best game of the year)
 
WichitaSooner said:
We have three bigs, none of whom is very good. They are very different players with different styles. None of them would be starting on a better roster. Because they are all unreliable, prone to fouls, and more likely to play poorly than to play well, it's scary if you only have two of three available. It also gives you five fewer fouls to play with. That's the main reason why it would not be good to be without Sam. I can easily see Mo getting in foul trouble, Luke going 0-3 from the floor and getting abused on defense, and us being in a very difficult position. If Cole hadn't been in hibernation for three months, he would be an option, but I just don't see that happening (although Cooper was one of our best players in the slaughter by TCU last March after not getting any PT for months). Can a Moore/Taylor combo manage to avoid getting killed inside to allow us to use them together for extended minutes? I think we will likely find out if Sam is out.
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the only reason i would ever say OU is better with sam out is that if forces moser to play wague more min .. and not play sam 30 min a game
 
CoachTalk said:
Just normal around here. Sad.
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It’s truly amazing. Why people can’t appreciate him for what he is……a decent center who plays his guts out that might occasionally drop 20 points or pull down 15 rebounds. What a stiff!!

It’s just he’s such a step down from what we have had the past few years……..oh wait, we didn’t have a 5 for the last few years!!!!
 
Sooner Season said:
It’s truly amazing. Why people can’t appreciate him for what he is……a decent center who plays his guts out that might occasionally drop 20 points or pull down 15 rebounds. What a stiff!!

It’s just he’s such a step down from what we have had the past few years……..oh wait, we didn’t have a 5 for the last few years!!!!
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Yep, we should give him a participation trophy and praise him to the high heavens since he tries hard and has a good game every two months. God forbid people actually comment on the biggest weakness on our roster.

Also, when you are arguably the worst starting power conference center in the country, you aren't decent. If he was still at a low or mid major, he would be decent for that level. But he is far below decent at the level he is being paid to play at. His coach deserves most of the blame, but he also deserves some for not improving.

But as long as you and coach are around, you can scold all of us for our horrible posts.
 
Sooner Season said:
It’s truly amazing. Why people can’t appreciate him for what he is……a decent center who plays his guts out that might occasionally drop 20 points or pull down 15 rebounds. What a stiff!!

It’s just he’s such a step down from what we have had the past few years……..oh wait, we didn’t have a 5 for the last few years!!!!
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To be fair, Sam Godwin has scored 20 points once in his 3 year Oklahoma career. While only having double digit rebounds 7 times.
 
Sooner Season said:
It’s truly amazing. Why people can’t appreciate him for what he is……a decent center who plays his guts out that might occasionally drop 20 points or pull down 15 rebounds. What a stiff!!

It’s just he’s such a step down from what we have had the past few years……..oh wait, we didn’t have a 5 for the last few years!!!!
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We see it virtually every season (well, every season that doesn't go as well as we'd like): One player gets singled out as the goat (and not the good kind), the guy to blame, to bitch about, to point fingers at.

This season we've seen 180-degree switches on certain players--trashed for a while, then viewed as someone who simply must--MUST--get more minutes, then trashed again (we've seen this with Forsythe, Wague and Northweather and to a lesser degree with other players). They have a good game and suddenly they're A-OK and why the heck aren't they playing more? But Sam never gets the benefit of the doubt. He has a standout performance, someone praises him and without fail others rush to remind us how horrible he is.

He busts his ass, goes all out and has represented my alma mater well. I'm glad he's been a Sooner.
 
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skyvue said:
He busts his ass, goes all out and has represented my alma mater. I'm glad he's been a Sooner.
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This is my take, too. Believe me, I scream at him during games for his failures. I've probably yelled at my TV or at the LNC at him (and Jalon) for missing point blank bunnies at least once a game. But it's not his fault he has been put in the position he is. Sam should not be a starting 5 in the SEC. Or Big XII. He's been put in a pickle. Play well and it's good job, that's the way it should be. Have a bad game and it's because he has no talent. And all the while he came to OU to walkon, not apply for the starting 5 spot.

Ultmately, wish we had a better option at 5. It's not Sam's fault. Ideally, he is a 10-15 minute bench guy. Instead, he's doing what he's asked even though it's not his strength.

With that said, he is out there giving it 110% every play. Would rather have that than some of the really talented guys (Kam McGusty comes to mind) whining or going half-ass.
 
TEvans4Three said:
Occasional =/= 2 times in 94x2 or 188 chances OR 1 in 94 OR 1.06% of the time.

I would say that is rarely.

Sam Godwin 20 pt games: 15 Rebs:
2022-23
0 times both

2023-24
0 time sboth

2024-25
1 time each. (Lindenwood and Oklahoma St)

Come on my guy...
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Brother, you guys like to strain at gnats. The point is the same, he's not all conference, he's not a stiff, he's a decent player who gives maximum effort. He has indeed had multiple double figure games in both points and rebounds, sometimes in the same game, which is better than anyone we have had at the 5 position for several years. You all can cite your analytics and semantics and nitpick all you want. In light of the dearth of good news we have had to celebrate over the last 4 years, I choose to celebrate a good Oklahoma Sooner who stayed here 3 years and plays his butt off. You guys can diss if you want.
 
skyvue said:
We see it virtually every season (well, every season that doesn't go as well as we'd like): One player gets singled out as the goat (and not the good kind), the guy to blame, to bitch about, to point fingers at.

This season we've seen 180-degree switches on certain players--trashed for a while, then viewed as someone who simply must--MUST--get more minutes, then trashed again (we've seen this with Forsythe, Wague and Northweather and to a lesser degree with other players). They have a good game and suddenly they're A-OK and why the heck aren't they playing more? But Sam never gets the benefit of the doubt. He has a standout performance, someone praises him and without fail others rush to remind us how horrible he is.

He busts his ass, goes all out and has represented my alma mater. I'm glad he's been a Sooner.
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This all day long!!!
 
MJSooner said:
This is my take, too. Believe me, I scream at him during games for his failures. I've probably yelled at my TV or at the LNC at him (and Jalon) for missing point blank bunnies at least once a game. But it's not his fault he has been put in the position he is. Sam should not be a starting 5 in the SEC. Or Big XII. He's been put in a pickle. Play well and it's good job, that's the way it should be. Have a bad game and it's because he has no talent. And all the while he came to OU to walkon, not apply for the starting 5 spot.

Ultmately, wish we had a better option at 5. It's not Sam's fault. Ideally, he is a 10-15 minute bench guy. Instead, he's doing what he's asked even though it's not his strength.

With that said, he is out there giving it 110% every play. Would rather have that than some of the really talented guys (Kam McGusty comes to mind) whining or going half-ass.
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Couldn't have said it better!
 
skyvue said:
We see it virtually every season (well, every season that doesn't go as well as we'd like): One player gets singled out as the goat (and not the good kind), the guy to blame, to bitch about, to point fingers at.

This season we've seen 180-degree switches on certain players--trashed for a while, then viewed as someone who simply must--MUST--get more minutes, then trashed again (we've seen this with Forsythe, Wague and Northweather and to a lesser degree with other players). They have a good game and suddenly they're A-OK and why the heck aren't they playing more? But Sam never gets the benefit of the doubt. He has a standout performance, someone praises him and without fail others rush to remind us how horrible he is.

He busts his ass, goes all out and has represented my alma mater. I'm glad he's been a Sooner.
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The virtual signaling was a guarantee once this thread started. 🤣
 
MJSooner said:
This is my take, too. Believe me, I scream at him during games for his failures. I've probably yelled at my TV or at the LNC at him (and Jalon) for missing point blank bunnies at least once a game. But it's not his fault he has been put in the position he is. Sam should not be a starting 5 in the SEC. Or Big XII. He's been put in a pickle. Play well and it's good job, that's the way it should be. Have a bad game and it's because he has no talent. And all the while he came to OU to walkon, not apply for the starting 5 spot.

Ultmately, wish we had a better option at 5. It's not Sam's fault. Ideally, he is a 10-15 minute bench guy. Instead, he's doing what he's asked even though it's not his strength.

With that said, he is out there giving it 110% every play. Would rather have that than some of the really talented guys (Kam McGusty comes to mind) whining or going half-ass.
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Give me 12 Kams every day.
 
skyvue said:
We see it virtually every season (well, every season that doesn't go as well as we'd like): One player gets singled out as the goat (and not the good kind), the guy to blame, to bitch about, to point fingers at.

This season we've seen 180-degree switches on certain players--trashed for a while, then viewed as someone who simply must--MUST--get more minutes, then trashed again (we've seen this with Forsythe, Wague and Northweather and to a lesser degree with other players). They have a good game and suddenly they're A-OK and why the heck aren't they playing more? But Sam never gets the benefit of the doubt. He has a standout performance, someone praises him and without fail others rush to remind us how horrible he is.

He busts his ass, goes all out and has represented my alma mater. I'm glad he's been a Sooner.
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See, this take bothers me a bit that this narrative gets presented that people commenting on players' performance are seen as personal attacks on the player. And here is why. I have seen quite literally not a single person say in the entirety of the three seasons Godwin has played here that they felt that Sam was a bad person, or that he was a poor representative of the university. Nor have I seen any of those things stated about Forsythe, Wague, or Northweather. How people feel about their performances says nothing about how people feel about them as people.

My take on this is that people need to be able to separate criticism of the player's performance from criticism of them as people. They are being paid to do a job, and when they do not perform it will get called out. Players are quite literally making hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of scholarships to be able to play a game. With that privilege comes the pressure and expectation to perform. I can be both happy that Sam is a representative of the university, and bothered by the fact that he is our starting center. Those things do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Point blank, Sam is not good enough to be a starting P4 center. This has been proven out time and time again. You can see it with your eyes and you can see it by the advanced numbers. Whether people like it or not, this is what these guys signed up for when they chose to play high-level college basketball. "Pressure is a privilege" as Joe Mazzulla (Celtics HC) so eloquently stated when people were talking about the pressure placed on Jayson Tatum to perform. It isn't "he HAS to deal with this". It's "he GETS to deal with this".
 
We needed to get a top post player in the portal. Godwin is a good counter piece as a post that can rebound and defend reasonably well. But he's not a number 1 post player. I don't got any hate for him he plays hard does some things well. If we don't find a way to get better post players next year we'll see much of the same problems though. The portal hasn't been very good to us with post players.
 
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