So, OU is staying. Now we HAVE to add teams, correct?

[thebigabd]

It was my original position that the Big 12 should be the one adding teams. I assume they will try to add enough to get back to a 12 team league. Who do you want?

Who can you add though? The ACC teams are rock solid now, the Big East made a pact to stay together, the Big 10 schools arent going anywhere, and you cant take any from the SEC. That pretty much leaves WAC, C-USA, and MWC schools.

Big 12 North
KU
KSU
MU
ISU
Central Florida
BYU

Big 12 South
OU
OSU
UT
TT
BU
Houston

 

[thebigabd]

Houston will be solid in football because they can recruit local talent, and they have proven that recently.

But, check out what James ****ey is doing in basketball. This will be their squad in 2012-2013:

PG: Joseph Young (6'3'' 185):
Parade All-America Third-Team selection... Texas Gatorade Boys' Basketball Player of the Year... Class 4A Texas Association of Baskeball Coaches All-State Team member... Averaged 27.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 4.4 steals and 3.8 assists per game to help lead the Lions to their second straight state championship... Led team to a perfect 34-0 record and the No. 1 national ranking in final polls from USA Today, MaxPreps and Rivals.com... Honored as the Most Valuable Player of the state championship game and the T-Mobile Invitational in Alabama.

SG: Jonathon Simmons (6'6'' 195)
Named to the WACJAC All-Conference and Region 5 All-Conference teams... Averaged 13.3 points and 4.0 rebounds per game while shooting 55 percent from the field... Helped lead the Chaparrals to a 26-0 start and a berth in the Regional Finals... Ranked as No. 19 player in the country by JucoJunction.com

SF: Danuel House (6'7'' 195)
McDonalds All-American Candidate. Ranked as the #15 overall player in the 2012 class. #4 small forward in the country.

PF: Chicken Knowles (6'9'' 190)
#14 power forward in the country, #47 overall player in the 2012 class. Name is Chicken.

C: Leon Gibson (6'9'' 245)
Averaged 10.8 points and 7.9 rebounds per game to help lead team to a 20-11 overall record... Ranked sixth in Region XIV with his rebounding total... Connected on 50.7 percent (110-of-217) of his field-goal attempts... Honored as the Region XIV Player of the Week after averaging 19.5 points and 9.0 rebounds per game for the week of Jan. 22... Scored 11 points and grabbed a team-high eight rebounds in a loss to Paris College during the Region 14 Tournament.

 

[WTSooner]

I'd grab BYU, and wait to see what happens. I'm guessing the Big East isn't as stable as they are suggesting. Rumor has it, the Big 12 is interested in these teams, in this order: BYU, Louisville, WV.

 

[thebigabd]

I'd grab BYU, and wait to see what happens. I'm guessing the Big East isn't as stable as they are suggesting. Rumor has it, the Big 12 is interested in these teams, in this order: BYU, Louisville, WV.

If you can pluck a couple from the Big East, thats great, do it.

If you can't, get BYU/Houston/Memphis.

 

[bocabull]

I think we go back to the roots of what started the Big XII ... The Big 8 & the SWC.

Add in TCU, Houston & pick between Rice or SMU. Keep unequal revenue sharing with the new schools getting less. Play up the unabashed loyalty Texans have to their state and lock out A&M from playing all those Texas schools.

Let's not kid ourselves that there are equivalent schools that can be added.

 

[thebigabd]

Ya know what, screw Memphis. Get Central Florida instead. They have a lot more potential in football (they are already good) and are getting better in basketball. Better location, better football, brand new facilities, etc.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

It was my original position that the Big 12 should be the one adding teams. I assume they will try to add enough to get back to a 12 team league. Who do you want?

Who can you add though? The ACC teams are rock solid now, the Big East made a pact to stay together, the Big 10 schools arent going anywhere, and you cant take any from the SEC. That pretty much leaves WAC, C-USA, and MWC schools.

Big 12 North
KU
KSU
MU
ISU
Memphis
BYU

Big 12 South
OU
OSU
UT
TT
BU
Houston

North

KU
KSU
MU
ISU
Memphis/Louisville/Boise/WVA/Cinci
BYU


South

OU
OSU
UT
TT
BU
Houston/TCU/SMU


You have options that a lot of Sooner fans say are horrible options.....but, honestly......You add BYU, Cinci, Louisville, Boise or W. VA along with Houston or TCU and you have a good football conference (say what you want about aTm but they were NOT that great in football....Nebraska was a much bigger loss than aTm, no matter how bad Aggies want you to believe otherwise)...TCU is a ton better than aTm the last few years.....BYU is on par with aTm and better for a tv deal because of their national following. I honestly, don't think you lose much from a football standpoint and actually ADD to it if you get back to 12 or even go to 16.

From a hoops standpoint.......the Big XII could be MUCH better. Louisville, W. VA and Cinci would all add significantly......Houston would be a solid add in hoops.....BYU isn't bad in hoops historically. People are complaining without really looking at things.

When it is all said and done it will be about tv contracts......several of those ADD to the Big XII tv influence.......we could all end up in a much better position.

 

[campbest]

Grab Louisville...wouldn't be surprised, Pitino has dropped some curious hints in his blog as of late.

 

[thebigabd]

NCSooner... yep, if you can get Big East schools, do it. If you cant, you have BYU/UCF/Houston that would be great options. That would add to the league and keep OU on top.

UCF and Houston have great potential, in both sports.

But, like I said, IF you can get some Big East schools, get them.

My concern is this pact the Big East has made. We will see if it is legit or not pretty soon though.

 

[garyeb2]

Someone explain this to me. Why would any of these schools want to come to the Big 12. With the current situation, teams want to leave this conference. Not jump on board.

The conference does not share the revenues equally. It was setup for the rich to get richer and the poor had no way to move up and compete. OU was one of the haves. Texas gained an even bigger edge with the network.

Every team that could or has a shot to get out has gotten out or is trying to. No team that has a shot to go somewhere else will get into this mess. OU seemed willing to share revenue equally in a much bigger Pac 16 pie. $35 million vs $21 million for the Big 12.

Texas does not seem willing to budge on anything. If they don't, the conference has to blow up. Either Texas will have to be voted out or everyone else starts a new conference.

The uneven split is a pretty sweet deal if one is one the right side of it. But, the trick is to get enough other people to go along with it to have a conference. It seems as though that trick is not working very well anymore.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Someone explain this to me. Why would any of these schools want to come to the Big 12. With the current situation, teams want to leave this conference. Not jump on board.

The conference does not share the revenues equally. It was setup for the rich to get richer and the poor had no way to move up and compete. OU was one of the haves. Texas gained an even bigger edge with the network.

Every team that could or has a shot to get out has gotten out or is trying to. No team that has a shot to go somewhere else will get into this mess. OU seemed willing to share revenue equally in a much bigger Pac 16 pie. $35 million vs $21 million for the Big 12.

Texas does not seem willing to budge on anything. If they don't, the conference has to blow up. Either Texas will have to be voted out or everyone else starts a new conference.

The uneven split is a pretty sweet deal if one is one the right side of it. But, the trick is to get enough other people to go along with it to have a conference. It seems as though that trick is not working very well anymore.

I vote for Texas being voted out.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Someone explain this to me. Why would any of these schools want to come to the Big 12. With the current situation, teams want to leave this conference. Not jump on board.

The conference does not share the revenues equally. It was setup for the rich to get richer and the poor had no way to move up and compete. OU was one of the haves. Texas gained an even bigger edge with the network.

Every team that could or has a shot to get out has gotten out or is trying to. No team that has a shot to go somewhere else will get into this mess. OU seemed willing to share revenue equally in a much bigger Pac 16 pie. $35 million vs $21 million for the Big 12.

Texas does not seem willing to budge on anything. If they don't, the conference has to blow up. Either Texas will have to be voted out or everyone else starts a new conference.








One word MONEY. . .a lot of schools would sell their soul for cold hard cash. Unfortunately college football calls most of the shots in the NCAA. It is the breadwinner. March Madness is huge but football pays the bills in most cases. I think a LOT of schools would kill to be in the Big XII simply for the fat tv contracts, the automatic BCS birth, etc.

I agree with you about questioning why anyone would want to join us now but with a commitment from OU and UT the Big XII still has a lot of pull. Im sure there will be a line of schools looking to join. It would look like the soup kitchen of college football.

Another school I would consider would be Villanova. . . .They are trying to move up in the football world, have strong hoops and they would bring the Philly market. That would be huge from a tv contract stand point. Just a thought

 

[campbest]

One word MONEY. . .a lot of schools would sell their soul for cold hard cash. Unfortunately college football calls most of the shots in the NCAA. It is the breadwinner. March Madness is huge but football pays the bills in most cases. I think a LOT of schools would kill to be in the Big XII simply for the fat tv contracts, the automatic BCS birth, etc.

I agree with you about questioning why anyone would want to join us now but with a commitment from OU and UT the Big XII still has a lot of pull. Im sure there will be a line of schools looking to join. It would look like the soup kitchen of college football.

Another school I would consider would be Villanova. . . .They are trying to move up in the football world, have strong hoops and they would bring the Philly market. That would be huge from a tv contract stand point. Just a thought

For the NCAA or universities? Pretty sure the March Madness contract pays the vast majority of the NCAA's budget.

 

[bocabull]

No way we should add BYU or any of these schools way out of the region.

If we want strength and stability we need to add the private Texas schools that were left behind from the SWC. Focus extensively on monetizing the Texas/Oklahoma/Missouri/Kansas markets. Lock them up exclusively. Blackball A&M. Have 2 Big XII networks. 1 that focuses mainly on the Texas schools and another that focuses on the former Big 8 schools.

Lean on the Texas, OU & Kansas brands. Work to enhance the Missouri, Oklahoma State and Houston brands. Let the other 6 be schedule fillers.

It works. There is enough talent & money to go around.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

For the NCAA or universities? Pretty sure the March Madness contract pays the vast majority of the NCAA's budget.

For the universities. . .the majority of schools make a bulk of their money off football. . .With basketball next. All of this conference realignment stuff is almost completely football driven. The huge tv contracts. . . All football driven. That isnt to say basketball is not considered but make no mistake this is mainly about football.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

No way we should add BYU or any of these schools way out of the region.

If we want strength and stability we need to add the private Texas schools that were left behind from the SWC. Focus extensively on monetizing the Texas/Oklahoma/Missouri/Kansas markets. Lock them up exclusively. Blackball A&M. Have 2 Big XII networks. 1 that focuses mainly on the Texas schools and another that focuses on the former Big 8 schools.

Lean on the Texas, OU & Kansas brands. Work to enhance the Missouri, Oklahoma State and Houston brands. Let the other 6 be schedule fillers.

It works. There is enough talent & money to go around.

I dont disagree boca. . . . But partially this is about carving out a bigger piece of the pie. I think they will look to expand the reach of the conference first. . . . Get mote tv sets and more contract dollars. . . Not split what they have in to smallet pieces.

 

[NickZepp]

I think it's more likely the Big 12 retracts than expands. There aren't any schools in the region that really add enough. Missouri will likely go to the SEC. Texas will probably go indy in a few years if the LHN ever gets going.

 

[bocabull]

I dont disagree boca. . . . But partially this is about carving out a bigger piece of the pie. I think they will look to expand the reach of the conference first. . . . Get mote tv sets and more contract dollars. . . Not split what they have in to smallet pieces.

There are already enough TV sets. The asset the Big XII lost was A&M and that loss hits the Texas market. We need to respond strategically to that loss by adding TCU, Houston and either SMU or Rice. Then we not only recover the ratings from A&M we can exceed it and focus on the brand to lock up Texas recruiting. If you're a Texas high school athlete you need to play in the Big XII. Period.

We need to solidify the core. If we run around the country adding 3rd tier programs we will fragment the conference and make it even weaker.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

There are already enough TV sets. The asset the Big XII lost was A&M and that loss hits the Texas market. We need to respond strategically to that loss by adding TCU, Houston and either SMU or Rice. Then we not only recover the ratings from A&M we can exceed it and focus on the brand to lock up Texas recruiting. If you're a Texas high school athlete you need to play in the Big XII. Period.

We need to solidify the core. If we run around the country adding 3rd tier programs we will fragment the conference and make it even weaker.

I get your point....but you tell me about "third tier" teams.

I'm all for adding TCU......maybe even Houston...but as for the rest of the possibilities mentioned.

Who is bringing more to the table?

Louisville or SMU?

Memphis or Rice?

BYU?

West Virginia?

Any of those would bring more to the table than SMU or Rice. Plus they would bring in tv sets in markets we dont already control. The entire Texas market is already in the Big XII back pocket....even without aTm.


I can see the argument for both sides....I'm just saying if the conference is expanded outside the existing borders then you have a case for a much larger tv deal.

 

[campbest]

For the universities. . .the majority of schools make a bulk of their money off football. . .With basketball next. All of this conference realignment stuff is almost completely football driven. The huge tv contracts. . . All football driven. That isnt to say basketball is not considered but make no mistake this is mainly about football.

Thanks for clearing that up, none of us knew that...Your first paragraph was about the NCAA and mentioned March Madness.