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Shay Knighten's response when asked about Howard's play on her apparent home run ball "“She made a great play, there's no doubt about that,”
See the difference between Shay's comments about her opponent and Carasone's?
Scattershooting: The Sooners let one get away last night; that was probably the worst I've seen them play (defensively) all season. And Stevens struggled from her very first pitch in the first inning. Still, Auburn deserves to be congratulated for the way they came back from that early seven-run deficit.
Please don't think I'm second-guessing Patty, but if Chestnut had started, OU would almost certainly be celebrating a third CWS title. Chestnut pitched remarkably well over a period that spanned almost six innings, and that two-run homerun that tied the score at 7-all was just about the only mistake she made in regulation. Had she been in the circle from the start, the game never goes to extra innings. By the way, who among us would not have gone with Stevens under those same circumstances? The choice must have seemed obvious to Patty.
I feel badly for Stevens. She's done her best to overcome those terrible control problems that have plagued her for two years. But those same issues were more extreme last night than they've been all of this season. And it wound up costing us against a very opportunistic Auburn team.
My take on the catch that prevented what would have been a game-winning homerun by Knighten: It was a good catch, but certainly not a great catch. The ESPN commentators raved on and on about it being a catch for the ages. The timing and circumstance in which the play occurred made it a huge catch, but the catch itself was little more than routine.
Like Spock said, the Sooners were ultimately done in by a few very uncharacteristic lapses on defense. We made some great plays, as usual, but we allowed ourselves to become rattled a couple of times when Auburn turned up the pressure. Still, we had ample opportunity to score at least a few more runs, which would have iced the game, but we weren't able to get it done.
I've been pretty critical of Auburn, and the SEC in general, for their arrogance, and what I believe to be poor sportsmanship and a complete lack of respect for their opponents. Still, I respect the Tigers' skill and dogged determination. Those two factors without a doubt make them a worthy opponent for our Sooners.
If Paige is healthy and on her game, we'll have an excellent chance of winning tonight's finale. If she's not, it could be a long night. Still, my faith in Patty Gasso and her team was in no way diminished by last night's loss.
Please don't think I'm second-guessing Patty, but if Chestnut had started, OU would almost certainly be celebrating a third CWS title. Chestnut pitched remarkably well over a period that spanned almost six innings, and that two-run homerun that tied the score at 7-all was just about the only mistake she made in regulation. Had she been in the circle from the start, the game never goes to extra innings. By the way, who among us would not have gone with Stevens under those same circumstances? The choice must have seemed obvious to Patty.
I feel badly for Stevens. She's done her best to overcome those terrible control problems that have plagued her for two years. But those same issues were more extreme last night than they've been all of this season. And it wound up costing us against a very opportunistic Auburn team.
My take on the catch that prevented what would have been a game-winning homerun by Knighten: It was a good catch, but certainly not a great catch. The ESPN commentators raved on and on about it being a catch for the ages. The timing and circumstance in which the play occurred made it a huge catch, but the catch itself was little more than routine.
Like Spock said, the Sooners were ultimately done in by a few very uncharacteristic lapses on defense. We made some great plays, as usual, but we allowed ourselves to become rattled a couple of times when Auburn turned up the pressure. Still, we had ample opportunity to score at least a few more runs, which would have iced the game, but we weren't able to get it done.
I've been pretty critical of Auburn, and the SEC in general, for their arrogance, and what I believe to be poor sportsmanship and a complete lack of respect for their opponents. Still, I respect the Tigers' skill and dogged determination. Those two factors without a doubt make them a worthy opponent for our Sooners.
If Paige is healthy and on her game, we'll have an excellent chance of winning tonight's finale. If she's not, it could be a long night. Still, my faith in Patty Gasso and her team was in no way diminished by last night's loss.
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Just for reference, here is a link to the Merriam-Webster definition of arrogant:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant
The overriding philosophy of Joe C's Athletic Department seems to be to show respect for the opponent when talking to the press. My niece was a volleyball walk-on several years ago and she commented that someone from the Athletic Department was on their flight to an away match and all they talked about was how to talk to the press.
You seldom, if ever, hear comments like the quotes from the Auburn player from any OU player in any sport. And if you do, it is usually followed up by a comment from an OU coach saying the player was out of line.
That doesn't mean the coaches don't talk like that in meetings with their players. We've all seen clips from pre and post game locker room comments from Stoops where he fired the team up but those type of comments were never meant for public consumption before a game. Kruger is more low key but we all got the meaning of his post-game comments after the LSU game. Publicly, they are always PC, as most of us want them to be.
We've all commented on how well this team, that is dominated by freshmen and sophomores, has handled the big stage. Perhaps that big stage finally caught up with them last night. I'm stuck with following games on the game tracker so I can't see the body language of our players. I'm sure they did feel extra pressure on defense because Paige wasn't in the circle. Hopefully, Paige is fully rested tonight and the defense behind her will be what we've become used to through the post-season.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant
The overriding philosophy of Joe C's Athletic Department seems to be to show respect for the opponent when talking to the press. My niece was a volleyball walk-on several years ago and she commented that someone from the Athletic Department was on their flight to an away match and all they talked about was how to talk to the press.
You seldom, if ever, hear comments like the quotes from the Auburn player from any OU player in any sport. And if you do, it is usually followed up by a comment from an OU coach saying the player was out of line.
That doesn't mean the coaches don't talk like that in meetings with their players. We've all seen clips from pre and post game locker room comments from Stoops where he fired the team up but those type of comments were never meant for public consumption before a game. Kruger is more low key but we all got the meaning of his post-game comments after the LSU game. Publicly, they are always PC, as most of us want them to be.
We've all commented on how well this team, that is dominated by freshmen and sophomores, has handled the big stage. Perhaps that big stage finally caught up with them last night. I'm stuck with following games on the game tracker so I can't see the body language of our players. I'm sure they did feel extra pressure on defense because Paige wasn't in the circle. Hopefully, Paige is fully rested tonight and the defense behind her will be what we've become used to through the post-season.
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Amen to your last thought! Let's all say our prayers!
I, like you, am immensely impressed with this young group of players. They are a year ahead of where even the most optimistic might have thought at the beginning of the year. This group of sophomores and freshman, with the classes Coach Gasso is bringing in, the future is bright.
And on top of their play on the field, they represent the University and their coach well.
I believe that Coach Gasso and the ladies will relax, enjoy playing with each other and play well tonight. That won't guarantee a win, but I think they'll be in it until the end, no matter what. Auburn is a well coached, and supremely talented opponent, so I'm not surprised it's going to game three.
Either way, I'll be proud of them, and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching them this year.
Our defensive lapses weren't due to freshmen, with the exception of Chestnut getting in Romero's way once, and attempting to field a ball resulting in slowing it down, both of which are acceptable. The real lapses were Kady breaking in and letting a ball that should have been caught for the third out go over her head for a double, resulting in two additional runs in the second and Miller's errant and unnecessary throw behind the runner from right. The underclassmen were flawless.
There did appear to be some uptight behavior at the plate. We executed bunts in the second, but they were by players who were taking advantage of a defense playing deep. When necessary to move a runner over, we fouled off bunts all night, failing to move them into scoring position. Execution was poor after the second.
There did appear to be some uptight behavior at the plate. We executed bunts in the second, but they were by players who were taking advantage of a defense playing deep. When necessary to move a runner over, we fouled off bunts all night, failing to move them into scoring position. Execution was poor after the second.
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Syb is right but this team has exceeded even the most optimistic of expectations. We can manipulate what transpired last night but to no avail. Net net we gave the game away defensively allowing 2 unearned run on mistakes by seniors. The best team last night won.
Also we have begun to show the pressure of playing in the WCWS. We made 23 errors in our first 61 games (.377 e/g). In the last 3 games we have had 4 errors (1.33 e/g). Three of those errors have been throwing errors (Wodach, Parker and Miller) not made by the freshmen. And Kady did not get an error on her misplay. Two of the three were stupid mistakes two being mental errors where no throw should have been made. That is succumbing to the pressure of WCWS.
Getting a seven run lead and allowing the tigers to tie it up without responding relinquished all the momentum we had acquired in the 31 previous games. Auburn has gained that momentum and should be favored to win tonight unless Paige can bring her "A" game holding Auburn to 3/4 runs or less. I don't see us being able to continue to score 7 runs depending on the small ball game. For certain it will more than difficult to win the power game against the tigers.
I was the first to mention Clint Myers tone at the presser following the first game. But I think we as fans are dwelling on things from the wrong perspective. The Auburn approach to the media is not our concern other than an initial acknowledge that it occurred.
Clint Myers sets the standards by which his team deals with the media and the attitude he has created for his team is working. They had the strength and commitment to get down 7 runs when trailing 0-1 in games played and come back and win. I wish our team could have answered back to their 5 run second inning or their 2 run fourth inning. The opportunities were there but the closure was not.
It makes much more sense to discuss what we need to do to win the game tonight than to bi**h, p**s and moan about the Auburn political correctness a recent concept of this culture that has been to its detriment. I too would like to see better sportsmanship but its absence to meet our satisfaction is no big deal. Get over it.
Also we have begun to show the pressure of playing in the WCWS. We made 23 errors in our first 61 games (.377 e/g). In the last 3 games we have had 4 errors (1.33 e/g). Three of those errors have been throwing errors (Wodach, Parker and Miller) not made by the freshmen. And Kady did not get an error on her misplay. Two of the three were stupid mistakes two being mental errors where no throw should have been made. That is succumbing to the pressure of WCWS.
Getting a seven run lead and allowing the tigers to tie it up without responding relinquished all the momentum we had acquired in the 31 previous games. Auburn has gained that momentum and should be favored to win tonight unless Paige can bring her "A" game holding Auburn to 3/4 runs or less. I don't see us being able to continue to score 7 runs depending on the small ball game. For certain it will more than difficult to win the power game against the tigers.
I was the first to mention Clint Myers tone at the presser following the first game. But I think we as fans are dwelling on things from the wrong perspective. The Auburn approach to the media is not our concern other than an initial acknowledge that it occurred.
Clint Myers sets the standards by which his team deals with the media and the attitude he has created for his team is working. They had the strength and commitment to get down 7 runs when trailing 0-1 in games played and come back and win. I wish our team could have answered back to their 5 run second inning or their 2 run fourth inning. The opportunities were there but the closure was not.
It makes much more sense to discuss what we need to do to win the game tonight than to bi**h, p**s and moan about the Auburn political correctness a recent concept of this culture that has been to its detriment. I too would like to see better sportsmanship but its absence to meet our satisfaction is no big deal. Get over it.
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I'm still wondering if Paige could have held Auburn to fewer than seven runs if Patty had handed her the ball in Game 2. We'll never know the answer to that one, but you can bet Paige would have given it her best shot.
Patty never ceases to amaze me with her ability to implement a plan that takes advantage of her team's strengths and her opponent's weaknesses. Patty's gameplan, and her reaction to the way Auburn's infield was positioned, was the reason the Sooners led the Tigers 7-0 after just two at-bats. What happened the rest of the way was unfortunate for the Sooners, but it did nothing to invalidate the ingenious strategy devised by OU's coach.
You can bet Patty has designed a gameplan for tonight's final game. If her players are able to put their coaches' plan into action, the Sooners could win their third WCWS title. The likelihood of that happening is better tonight with the return of Paige Parker to the circle.
Patty never ceases to amaze me with her ability to implement a plan that takes advantage of her team's strengths and her opponent's weaknesses. Patty's gameplan, and her reaction to the way Auburn's infield was positioned, was the reason the Sooners led the Tigers 7-0 after just two at-bats. What happened the rest of the way was unfortunate for the Sooners, but it did nothing to invalidate the ingenious strategy devised by OU's coach.
You can bet Patty has designed a gameplan for tonight's final game. If her players are able to put their coaches' plan into action, the Sooners could win their third WCWS title. The likelihood of that happening is better tonight with the return of Paige Parker to the circle.
Those first two innings we had the bats were textbook! Auburn really didn't know what hit them. I'm not so sure we didn't 'exhale' after getting seven run lead that early and then they could never regain that mojo once Auburn responded. That's something this team has been outstanding with all year and that is responding when another team scores. But we didn't score again after the 2nd inning. Made some uncharacteristic mistakes to compound things. I thought Jayden got stronger after the first couple of innings she pitched until the 8th. I think she will be much stronger next year. I hope this team can rebound from a disappointing outcome of game last night but if they don't and Auburn wins tonight, I think they will have a strong resolve next year, similar to 2013, and take it out on a lot of teams next year. Really want to win tonight though! Boomer Sooner!
I think this team responds to Paige on the mound. We can't use the same strategy to get a 7-run lead. They crashed the bunts after that, daring us to bunt. A good hitter would have driven a shot right back at them when they were ten feet from the plate.
But, I think Paige restores order. Her mindset is key. I don't care what Gasso says about leadership, Paige is the leader. She is the one who has the determination, and I think they will respond more sanely with her on the mound.
I don't know if Auburn has the pitcher who can shut it down totally. I haven't seen it in their box scores.
But, I think Paige restores order. Her mindset is key. I don't care what Gasso says about leadership, Paige is the leader. She is the one who has the determination, and I think they will respond more sanely with her on the mound.
I don't know if Auburn has the pitcher who can shut it down totally. I haven't seen it in their box scores.
Yes, it's hard for any team not to have a bit of a letdown after building such a big lead very early in the game. It's just very difficult to hold onto that intensity over the course of the next five or six innings. Your term, "exhale," is very appropriate in describing what happened to OU after that six-run second.
Agree with everything you said, tycat. And, like you, I really want our Sooners to win tonight.
Great post!!!
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Patty definitely knows how to game plan to give the Sooners the maximum opportunity to win. And her plan would have been successful had we executed in all factions of the game. Kelsey and the defense self destructed in the second inning. Often it only takes one bad inning to cost you the game and last night is an example of such.
If everyone executes tonight to their expected level we should win again. The question is will be ready to play and will Paige have her stuff and stamina. Hope Syb is right and Paige is the catalyst to get the rest of the team going.
If everyone executes tonight to their expected level we should win again. The question is will be ready to play and will Paige have her stuff and stamina. Hope Syb is right and Paige is the catalyst to get the rest of the team going.
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2nd dirty slide by Auburn in this series. There was no need to slide as the runner was out by 5 or 6 steps and the ball was already out of Romero's hand when she slid.
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No arrogance on the Auburn team NOW!
Paige came through!!!!
Paige came through!!!!
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How many pitches did she have to throw? Didn't this game start at 7:00?
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she was around 105
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107, to be exact
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Magnificent game by Paige Parker!!!!!! What a tough young lady!