Staff Salaries

Tony said:
If basic English is code, then yes.

There is no miscommunication on my part. Who were you referring to when you said "Not fire...?" It seems obvious that it was a response to my point that all Oklahoma coaches other than Jeff Capel and Bob Stoops should be fired if NCAA athletics is supposed to be a moneymaking venture.
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Are you suggesting the Oklahoma athletic department doesn't make a ton of money for the University of Oklahoma both from a straight revenue stream from athletics as well as generating more interest and excitement to go to OU from the general student body? Many kids grow up wanting to go to OU strictly because of it's atheltic prowess. That's what first gets them hooked on the idea of becoming a Sooner.
 
Sorry. I like you Cheno, but I'm not going to take part in your traveling circus, in which every word I write is misinterpreted and picked apart and ten pages later we're still talking circles around each other and you finally just wear the other person down. I'm already being asked to defend positions I've not taken.

This has gone on too long anyway. I have made my point. People can agree with it or not. It was a relatively minor objection to your absurd analogy that collegiate athletics is the same as a for-profit business, and Norm's subsequent endorsement of that idea, not to thebigabd's original more general point. I just think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why athletic programs exist. The vast majority of them lose money hand-over-fist. If they were anything like a corporation or a business of any sort, they would have been eliminated years ago.
 
Tony said:
Sorry. I like you Cheno, but I'm not going to take part in your traveling circus, in which every word I write is misinterpreted and picked apart and ten pages later we're still talking circles around each other and you finally just wear the other person down. I'm already being asked to defend positions I've not taken.

This has gone on too long anyway. I have made my point. People can agree with it or not. It was a relatively minor objection to your absurd analogy that collegiate athletics is the same as a for-profit business, and Norm's subsequent endorsement of that idea, not to thebigabd's original more general point. I just think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why athletic programs exist. The vast majority of them lose money hand-over-fist. If they were anything like a corporation or a business of any sort, they would have been eliminated years ago.
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I didn't say college athletics was the SAME as a for-profit-business. Talk about misinterpreting and picking apart. Isn't that what you just said you didn't like? I said that Football and Men's Basketball get paid more than Women's basketball because they generate more revenue and then gave the analogy of big business. It is true. If 75,000 people went to the Women's basketball games and 8,000 went to the football games then Sherri Coale would make more than Bob Stoops. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.
 
Tony said:
Sorry. I like you Cheno, but I'm not going to take part in your traveling circus, in which every word I write is misinterpreted and picked apart and ten pages later we're still talking circles around each other and you finally just wear the other person down. I'm already being asked to defend positions I've not taken.

This has gone on too long anyway. I have made my point. People can agree with it or not. It was a relatively minor objection to your absurd analogy that collegiate athletics is the same as a for-profit business, and Norm's subsequent endorsement of that idea, not to thebigabd's original more general point. I just think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why athletic programs exist. The vast majority of them lose money hand-over-fist. If they were anything like a corporation or a business of any sort, they would have been eliminated years ago.
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I would not respond except for the fact you called me out. Every coach is concerned about bringing in revenue for their sport. Some are more successful than others. If baseball had revenue on par with football, Sunny Golloway would make a ton more money than he does now. The big revenue sports pay the big bucks to coaches just like the big profit corporations pay the big bucks to the CEO.
 
SoonerNorm said:
I would not respond except for the fact you called me out. Every coach is concerned about bringing in revenue for their sport. Some are more successful than others. If baseball had revenue on par with football, Sunny Golloway would make a ton more money than he does now. The big revenue sports pay the big bucks to coaches just like the big profit corporations pay the big bucks to the CEO.
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It's amazing we typed out basically the same thing at the exact same time.
Why? Because it's not really that hard to figure out the analogy that was made. But hey, let's not misinterpret and pick apart right?
 
Cheno said:
It's amazing we typed out basically the same thing at the exact same time.
Why? Because it's not really that hard to figure out the analogy that was made. But hey, let's not misinterpret and pick apart right?
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I agree. If salaries aren't tied directly to revenue I don't know what they are tied to. It sure isn't looks or else Sherri Coale should be the highest paid coach at OU.
 
Cheno said:
I didn't say college athletics was the SAME as a for-profit-business.
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Then we have no issue. That is why I asked you:

Really? You think the primary job description of coaches at state-run collegiate athletic programs is to generate revenue, just like a for-profit corporation?

If you do not believe that, then I do not understand why you are arguing.

Norm said:
If salaries aren't tied directly to revenue I don't know what they are tied to.
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I'm quite certain that I've never said that collegiate coaching salaries are not related to whether the coach is involved in a revenue sport. I know that because it is not something I believe.
 
Tony said:
Then we have no issue. That is why I asked you:

Really? You think the primary job description of coaches at state-run collegiate athletic programs is to generate revenue, just like a for-profit corporation?

If you do not believe that, then I do not understand why you are arguing.
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Then we have no issue. I'm not arguing. Just clearing the misinterpretations and word twisting. I clearly used the Toyota/Kia analogy towards why Football and Men's Basketball coaches get paid more than non-revenue driving sports like Women's basketball. That was it.
Then that simple analogy got turned into that I believe the primary job description of a basketball/football coach is the same as of the CEO of a for-profit company. Huh?
 
Cheno said:
Then that simple analogy got turned into that I believe the primary job description of a basketball/football coach is the same as of the CEO of a for-profit company. Huh?
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It was a question for clarification. I don't understand why you just did not say "No, I do not believe that." Instead, you sided with Norm, who DOES think that is the case. You'll forgive me my confusion.
 
Tony said:
It was a question for clarification. I don't understand why you just did not say "No, I do not believe that." Instead, you sided with Norm, who DOES think that is the case. You'll forgive me my confusion.
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You should just quit now. Cheno doesn't want argue about what you actually stated. He wants to argue about his own misinterpretation of what you stated. Then, a few pages down the road, he will say that you are obsessed with him.
 
boksooner said:
You should just quit now. Cheno doesn't want argue about what you actually stated. He wants to argue about his own misinterpretation of what you stated. Then, a few pages down the road, he will say that you are obsessed with him.
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I like Tony. I would never say he's obsessed with me.
Just those that just randomly bring me up out of nowhere.
 
OUguy11 said:
Oronde left because there was trouble up ahead for him from what I hear. Cline left to be back home where he came from. He's made plenty of money and will be fine.
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Read my post again very slowly,and if u add up the years cline put in at OU it does not add up to a ton of money not even a million dollars and my assistant that been with me seven yrs is goingto make more than any of my other coaching staff,im not giving up 50,000 dollars in a recession im sorry.
 
SoonerNorm said:
I agree. If salaries aren't tied directly to revenue I don't know what they are tied to. It sure isn't looks or else Sherri Coale should be the highest paid coach at OU.
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The female fans might argue with you about that statement.
 
Tony is right, salaries are not directly tied to revenues. Salaries are correlated to performance/potential filtered by market competition within each sport.
 
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