Stevie Kicked off

[AdaSooner]

QUOTE=SKSooner;422291]So I was reading the article on newsok.com, and I started laughing and was wondering if anyone else noticed this.

According to reports, someone witnessed Stevie Clark urinating out of a moving car and called the police. The report also says the police witnessed the act. I'm thinking how long it must have taken for someone to see Clark, call the police, and the police witness the same act. This is the sort of thing Jimmy Dugan could be proud of! I don't know if Stevie Clark should have been kicked off of the team, but surely he's going to be in the Guinness Book of World Records for that kind of effort![/QUOTE]

:ez-roll: :ez-roll:

 

[steverocks35]

On a side note, according to a poster over at OP.com, Travis Ford has only had 4 players complete their eligibility at OSU, 2 of those were JUCO players, and 1 was a Kentucky tranfer! The other one being Markel Brown. That is an amazing stat if true.

 

[MNsooner]

On a side note, according to a poster over at OP.com, Travis Ford has only had 4 players complete their eligibility at OSU, 2 of those were JUCO players, and 1 was a Kentucky tranfer! The other one being Markel Brown. That is an amazing stat if true.

That can't be right. Keiton Page comes to mind. Wasn't he a 4 year player?

 

[TheGimper]

If you look at Stevie Clark's scout.com profile it says one aspect he needs to work on in college is "decision making."

 

[steverocks35]

That can't be right. Keiton Page comes to mind. Wasn't he a 4 year player?

He was discounting kids that Ford inherited from Sutton, so maybe that's where Page comes in.

 

[MNsooner]

He was discounting kids that Ford inherited from Sutton, so maybe that's where Page comes in.

I think Page's freshman year was also Ford's first year, unless he red shirted.

 

[oSuJeff97]

He was discounting kids that Ford inherited from Sutton, so maybe that's where Page comes in.

Well, that "stat" is a little misleading in that his first full recruiting class at OSU makes up the bulk of the guys who didn't finish. It includes 7 of the 11 guys.

He's had a little bit of turnover after that first class, but nothing out of the ordinary. It's just that first class skews the average up tremendously.

Look at it by year:

2009: 0 of 7 recruits finish at OSU.
2010: 4 of 5 recruits either finished or likely to finish at OSU
2011: 2 of 3 recruits either finished or likely to finish at OSU
2012: 3 of 4 likely to finish at OSU
2013: Stevie obviously gone; 3 others TBD

All of this said, I'm not defending Ford any more.

The past 10 days or so pushed me past my breaking point.

What I'm really hoping for now is that the season ends in a failure so spectacular that Holder has no choice but to fire Ford.

BURN, BABY, BURN!

Step two of my brilliant plan involves driving a Brinks truck up to Wichita and asking Gregg Marshall how much money he wants.

 

[steverocks35]

Let's put it this way, Ford has had 15 guys leave the program early, only one of them to go to the NBA (James Anderson).

 

[AdaSooner]

Well, that "stat" is a little misleading in that his first full recruiting class at OSU makes up the bulk of the guys who didn't finish. It includes 7 of the 11 guys.

He's had a little bit of turnover after that first class, but nothing out of the ordinary. It's just that first class skews the average up tremendously.

Look at it by year:

2009: 0 of 7 recruits finish at OSU.
2010: 4 of 5 recruits either finished or likely to finish at OSU
2011: 2 of 3 recruits either finished or likely to finish at OSU
2012: 3 of 4 likely to finish at OSU
2013: Stevie obviously gone; 3 others TBD

All of this said, I'm not defending Ford any more.

The past 10 days or so pushed me past my breaking point.

What I'm really hoping for now is that the season ends in a failure so spectacular that Holder has no choice but to fire Ford.

BURN, BABY, BURN!

Step two of my brilliant plan involves driving a Brinks truck up to Wichita and asking Gregg Marshall how much money he wants.

Wow! That's one heck of a rant from a diehard OSU fan like you, Jeff. It's obvious you have reached the end of your rope with Ford. Can't say I blame you. The wheels do indeed appear to be coming off with this year's team. Reminds me a lot of what OU went through a few years back.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Wow! That's one heck of a rant from a diehard OSU fan like you, Jeff. It's obvious you have reached the end of your rope with Ford. Can't say I blame you. The wheels do indeed appear to be coming off with this year's team. Reminds me a lot of what OU went through a few years back.

I supported him longer than most... or maybe that is to say that I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt longer than most.

The way this team looked in November, I was thinking... well... maybe he was just really unlucky with that first recruiting class and he's going to really get it going now....

That team played hard on defense, shared the ball on offense and generally just looked fantastic.

But then it's like the Cobbins injury happened and everyone from Ford to the players on down hit the panic button and have yet to recover.

Yeah, it's a stroke of bad luck to be sure, but for goodness sake... there is still enough talent on this team that you shouldn't just go into the tank completely from losing one starter... you adjust and move on.... but instead this team seems to just get worse and worse every game as other teams improve.

And that has to be on the coaching staff.

So I'm ready to hit the reset button and start over. As much as it will suck to lose Brown, Smart and (likely) Nash this year, we'll still have some decent talent returning next year with Cobbins, Murphy, Forte, B. Williams and others returning, along with incoming guys like Mitch Solomon, Joe Burton and Jerred Terell coming in. I'd like to see what a really good bench coach can do with those guys.

Hence my plan to drive a Brinks truck up to Wichita.

 

[steverocks35]

I supported him longer than most... or maybe that is to say that I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt longer than most.

The way this team looked in November, I was thinking... well... maybe he was just really unlucky with that first recruiting class and he's going to really get it going now....

That team played hard on defense, shared the ball on offense and generally just looked fantastic.

But then it's like the Cobbins injury happened and everyone from Ford to the players on down hit the panic button and have yet to recover.

Yeah, it's a stroke of bad luck to be sure, but for goodness sake... there is still enough talent on this team that you shouldn't just go into the tank completely from losing one starter... you adjust and move on.... but instead this team seems to just get worse and worse every game as other teams improve.

And that has to be on the coaching staff.

So I'm ready to hit the reset button and start over. As much as it will suck to lose Brown, Smart and (likely) Nash this year, we'll still have some decent talent returning next year with Cobbins, Murphy, Forte, B. Williams and others returning, along with incoming guys like Mitch Solomon, Joe Burton and Jerred Terell coming in. I'd like to see what a really good bench coach can do with those guys.

Hence my plan to drive a Brinks truck up to Wichita.

Any team that has 3 NBA caliber players should be able to win if one of the other guys goes down. I have to agree that Ford has done a horrible job and I am just completely baffled by the ten year contract. As an OU fan I'm pretty happy about it though

 

[oSuJeff97]

Any team that has 3 NBA caliber players should be able to win if one of the other guys goes down. I have to agree that Ford has done a horrible job and I am just completely baffled by the ten year contract. As an OU fan I'm pretty happy about it though

Yeah - I've never been on board with the idea that Ford has to make a deep tournament run this year to be "successful".... the Tournament is fickle and even teams with great players can exit early with the wrong matchup... see Kevin Durant's Texas team losing in the second round.

But this team certainly should NOT be losing to 1-6 Baylor at home and should NOT be completely non-competitive (for the most part) against OU in Norman.

The OU game in Norman was especially troubling. I'll at least grant that Baylor is a potentially bad matchup for us and they obviously have some talent... they could probably beat just about anybody on a given night when they are playing hard...

But OU shouldn't be a bad matchup for OSU. You guys aren't huge inside and we should have the advantage in the backcourt... and yet we were basically behind by double-digits for 3/4 of that game. That's just bad effort, bad coaching or both, neither of which is acceptable.

 

[steverocks35]

Yeah - I've never been on board with the idea that Ford has to make a deep tournament run this year to be "successful".... the Tournament is fickle and even teams with great players can exit early with the wrong matchup... see Kevin Durant's Texas team losing in the second round.

But this team certainly should NOT be losing to 1-6 Baylor at home and should NOT be completely non-competitive (for the most part) against OU in Norman.

The OU game in Norman was especially troubling. I'll at least grant that Baylor is a potentially bad matchup for us and they obviously have some talent... they could probably beat just about anybody on a given night when they are playing hard...

But OU shouldn't be a bad matchup for OSU. You guys aren't huge inside and we should have the advantage in the backcourt... and yet we were basically behind by double-digits for 3/4 of that game. That's just bad effort, bad coaching or both, neither of which is acceptable.

As an outside observer it looks to me like Smart and Brown are just out there freewheeling doing whatever they want, seems that Ford has minimal control.

 

[soonernutt]

He was discounting kids that Ford inherited from Sutton, so maybe that's where Page comes in.

Ford started in 2008. Paige was in the last class signed by Sutton.

Ford's first class was a complete whiff, and other than jucos, those are the only guys who would have graduated yet. He's graduated a couple of jucos, but this year, the 2010 class (Cobbins, Brown, Williams) should start adding to that tally.

 

[oSuJeff97]

As an outside observer it looks to me like Smart and Brown are just out there freewheeling doing whatever they want, seems that Ford has minimal control.

The Smart thing is confounding to me.

I went back and watched a few games from the middle of the season last year, and he looked like a different player than he does right now, and not in a good way.

His body language was just totally different.

It was like he was having a great time, and it rubbed off on everyone on the team....

This year, he seems like a sullen baby most of the time... kind of how Nash tends to act.

 

[skyvue]

But OU shouldn't be a bad matchup for OSU. You guys aren't huge inside and we should have the advantage in the backcourt... and yet we were basically behind by double-digits for 3/4 of that game. That's just bad effort, bad coaching or both, neither of which is acceptable.

I understand your frustration and believe it or not, I'm not trying to pile on in your misery, but this is an OU board, after all, so it's worth mentioning that the play of our Sooners had a good deal to do with the results of that first Bedlam matchup. Writing it off as just bad effort or bad coaching ignores the good coaching and good effort on the part of the home team.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The Smart thing is confounding to me.

I went back and watched a few games from the middle of the season last year, and he looked like a different player than he does right now, and not in a good way.

His body language was just totally different.

It was like he was having a great time, and it rubbed off on everyone on the team....

This year, he seems like a sullen baby most of the time... kind of how Nash tends to act.

His shooting was pretty much the same this year and last

 

[oSuJeff97]

I understand your frustration and believe it or not, I'm not trying to pile on in your misery, but this is an OU board, after all, so it's worth mentioning that the play of our Sooners had a good deal to do with the results of that first Bedlam matchup. Writing it off as just bad effort or bad coaching ignores the good coaching and good effort on the part of the home team.

Of course OU had something to do with it... OU is obviously a good team.

My point is that OSU has enough talent and, as good as OU is, it's not a bad matchup for us.... so we should be competitive in the game.

I'm not saying we should win the game or something... but it should be competitive.

 

[steverocks35]

Of course OU had something to do with it... OU is obviously a good team.

My point is that OSU has enough talent and, as good as OU is, it's not a bad matchup for us.... so we should be competitive in the game.

I'm not saying we should win the game or something... but it should be competitive.

Not to belabor the point on Smart but it's almost better for you guys if he misses his first couple of three-pointers. After he hit a couple against OU then he started hoisting them and missing, really hurt the team.

 

[oSuJeff97]

His shooting was pretty much the same this year and last

Not really.

He's just taking more of the shots (3-pointers) he can't make.

His 3-point percentage is basically flat this year compared with last year (28.6% this year vs. 29% last year), but his 2-point percentage is actually significantly up this year compared with last (52.1% vs. 46.5%).

The problem is that he's just taking way more three-pointers this year.

His 3-point attempts, as a percentage of overall attempts, is up from 35% last year to a (considering his "make" percentage) ludicrous 44% this year. (Compare that with someone like Brown, who has actually shown the ability to consistently hit 3s... only 37% of Brown's FG attempts are 3-pointers.)

That is especially maddening, considering that Smart is actually shooting above 50% from inside the arc.

It's almost like he's stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that he's not a perimeter shooter.