Surprise! OSU no longer has scholarship issues

[tycat947]

Some national observers said the 2013 Sooner women might have been the best softball team in the history of collegiate women's softball. They are undeniably top 5 all-time.

If you think you hurt us by mocking that title, you are utterly clueless. We're proud as hell of that team.

AND our 2 national titles in softball were seen by more people on television than all 30 or whatever wrasslin' championships!

 

[sheepdog]

90% of OSU's titles come from two sports, golf and wrastling. Now how many division 1 schools even field a wrestling team?

 

[bballfan2012]

OU is perceived as a very strong basketball program everywhere but the minds of aggie fans and in the Oklahoma media (and, sadly, by some of our own fans). OU is consistently rated higher than oswho as a hoops program, and we've had more successful coaches than has oswho, which has had just two (unless one wishes to count Ford, which at this point in time seems premature, but whatever).

OSU has had some really bad drought years in it's program but their peaks and best seasons have been much better over time than OU's. This is mostly due to the two Hall of Fame coaches at OSU. Sutton and Iba.

Other than those two eras...OSU was fairly miserable at baskteball.

This is easily seen by looking at what was accomplished IN the tournament.

OSU holds that edge while OU was able to steal many years bedlam games away during the long history of the series. However, most of those will have gone forgotten as neither team was anything to brag about.

The record for series isn't something to take lightly but it isn't the end all be all for comparing two programs especially in a sport like bball where the tournament is always the ultimate measurement.

It's funny you bring up basketball though where OSU has 2 national championships compared to 0 for OU.
6 final fours compared to 4 for OU, 11 elight eights compared to 8 for OU.


As far as the national championships go and your silly logic trying to discount wrestling while holding up softball, mens gymnastics trophys like they are the utlimate accomplishment is ridiculous.

Sure if you take our most dominant sport away from us then we only have 17 championships. But if you take your most dominant sport's national championships away at OU then you have 19. So what does that actually conclude? Your less dominant in any sport compared to OSU and by removing that very dominant sport at OSU that only give you guys a 2 national championship advantage?

OU has won championships in 6 different sports. OSU has won in 5 different sports.


And 51 will always be larger than 27 in my book.

Also, you brought up "older" championships earlier and discounting them as if they never happened but in the past 20 years OSU has had 11 National Championships compared to OU's 9.

In fact if you don't include OU's most dominant sport in that time period, Men's Gymnastics OU has 4 while OSU still claims 6 if you don't include wrestling.

 

[bballfan2012]

90% of OSU's titles come from two sports, golf and wrastling. Now how many division 1 schools even field a wrestling team?

Haha...

76 division one teams sponsor a wrestling program including OU.

Only 17 teams in the nation sponsor a Men's Gymnastics team period.

16 are division one.

 

[bballfan2012]

AND our 2 national titles in softball were seen by more people on television than all 30 or whatever wrasslin' championships!

More people watched Jersey Shore than your softball championship so this little fact doesn't mean much when comparing the accomplishments of athletes and an athletic program.

 

[hoopsaustin]

That's nice.

Now back to basketball...

Is OU going to make the NIT's this year or just the CBI?

You brought up football genius

 

[KBaden145]

Yeah, but let's face it. 99% of OSU fans would trade their 51 for our 27 (or whatever it is).

Mike Holder would in a minute.

 

[Dignon003]

90% of OSU's titles come from two sports, golf and wrastling. Now how many division 1 schools even field a wrestling team?

There are 79 Division 1 Wrestling Programs. OU should know, they've won 7 National Championships in Wrestling.

by wikipedia's count which may be a little off...

OSU - 51
Texas - 50
OU - 27
West Virginia - 15 (all in Riflery)
Iowa St. - 13
Kansas - 13
TCU - 5
Baylor - 3
Texas Tech - 1
Kansas St. - 0

Anyway back to basketball. I think this is without question the best roster that Ford has had as OSU's HC. With or without Gardner (who is the 12th or 13th best guy on the roster). Sad that Olukemi lost his appeal, he's a fine person who I hope does well in life, Mostella and OSU had a mutual parting. I'll be following his year at Pitt very closely.

 

[KBaden145]

Anyway back to basketball. I think this is without question the best roster that Ford has had as OSU's HC. With or without Gardner (who is the 12th or 13th best guy on the roster). Sad that Olukemi lost his appeal, he's a fine person who I hope does well in life, Mostella and OSU had a mutual parting. I'll be following his year at Pitt very closely.

Please post this on an OState message board where it belongs and where they care.

 

[Dignon003]

Please post this on an OState message board where it belongs and where they care.

This is an OSU topic on a board which I am a member of. I don't violate the rules and have been posting here since its inception.

 

[KBaden145]

This is an OSU topic on a board which I am a member of. I don't violate the rules and have been posting here since its inception.

Congrats. I didn't say stop posting. I just thought you might want to share in a forum with those that give a rip. You've also offered up OState info on topics not concerning OState too. This board is getting too damn orange.

 

[okienole3]

Your Saint Eddie barely had a winning record against OU.

 

[bballfan2012]

Your Saint Eddie barely had a winning record against OU.

You mean the 19-15 record against the two best OU basketball coaches of all time?

 

[Mackie McNeer]

Dude, you wear me out.

 

[badger]

See this is why I usually stay at SF.com (which alas has been down for about two weeks now), because all I do is tend to make people angry.

Is OU going to make the NIT's this year or just the CBI?

I'll take the bait --- I don't think that Joe C. will ever accept a CBI bid for OU, so no to CBI.

I think that if we have a large number of injuries or some of our new guys don't pan out, the NIT is a possibility. However, since I'm eternally optimistic for everything Sooner, I fully expect an NCAA bid this coming season.

 

[Max Power]

My question is, how many osu players are accused of rape this season?

 

[bocabull]

OU has won 8 of the past 13 Big XII football titles and has made the NCAA basketball tournament 3 of the past 6 seasons. Only a brain dead moron would call that "making the NCAA tournament for the first time in 5 years". Reminds one of the right wing nut jobs saying "Obama had 4 years to fix the economy and failed" 2.5 years into his term as the stock market was soaring, the economy was growing & the deficit he inherited was plummeting. Some folks just aren't too bright.

Bballfan is just another in a long line of intellectually inferior aggy hicks as if we needed any more evidence. You won't see real Sooners participating on a sheep humper message board because we could care less about the orange step child.

 

[badger]

I really feel like we are on about equal ground with Poke in mens basketball this coming season. I might have crimson blinders on, but having the more seasoned, competent coach has seemed to help when we met in Norman these past few Lon Kruger years.

Yes, they have the NBA lottery pick (or two, if LeNashie Bry Bry gets his act together), but for some reason, they still look incredibly vulnerable every time they take the court.

 

[bocabull]

Badger, you remember Buddy Hield massively outplaying Smart in the Norman rout last season?

 

[skyvue]

I almost feel sorry for oswho fans. Their supposed greatness in hoops is so key to their self-worth as fans (because deep down, the vast majority of them don't really take much comfort or pleasure from their success in wrestling and golf), but they've really had just two good coaches in their entire history (Ford may yet prove to be a third -- we'll see).

Imagine if OU had had just two good coaches in football -- if our entire tradition was based on those two coaches, and the rest of the time we'd been below average to downright bad.

OU has had 13 head basketball coaches -- all but two had a winning record at OU. Six of them took us to the NCAA tourney. Four of them made it to the Elite Eight. Three of them took teams to the Final Four. Two of them had teams play in the national title game.

oswho has had 18 head coaches. Eleven of them finished with losing records (and two or three others barely made it above .500). Just four of them made it to the NCAA tourney. Iba went to four Final Fours (like our own two early Final Fours, it was arguably not that big an accomplishment -- the aggies had to win a total of five games in those four tourneys to earn those Final Four berths; similarly, we had to win just a total of just two games to reach our first two Final Fours).

Sutton finished with one Elite Eight, three Sweet Sixteens, and two Final Fours, but never made it to the title game. And Paul Hansen and Ford have just one tourney win between them in four tries.

And here's a bit of trivia: How many times in his 36 seasons in Stillwater did the great Henry Iba make the postseason, NIT or NCAA? (Actually, 33 is a more accurate count of Iba's seasons, given there was no national postseason tourney until the NIT launched in 1938.)








Answer: 12. He missed the postseason 21 times. Now, it was admittedly harder to make the postseason back then, but by 1950, there were 20+ teams in the NCAA tourney and 12-14 in the NIT. So a team just had to be among the top 35 or so teams in the country to make one tourney or the other.

And yet, Mr. Iba's teams made the postseason just six times (5 NCAAs, one NIT) over his final 20 years at the helm.

By contrast, in his 34 eligible seasons, Adolph Rupp sent 24 teams to the postseason -- 20 teams to the NCAA tourney (and they declined another invitation) and 4 teams to the NIT. His teams missed the postseason just 10 times, and one of those was by choice (sort of -- they were in NCAA hot water, which is why they declined the invite).

None of which is meant to suggest that Iba was not a terrific coach -- he obviously was. But I believe his reputation exceeds his accomplishments (and I don't care two hoots about his legendary coaching tree, so you aggies can save that stuff).