Surprise! OSU no longer has scholarship issues
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College baseball, womens basketball & softball are not "major" sports. They are niche sports followed by very few and totally ignored by a vast majority of the country, including me and virtually everybody I know. Sure a few people will bandwagon their team if they reach the national champion like the OU softball team just did. But let's face it, that's out of sheer boredom, not because they are truly fans of the sport.
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They may not be major sports, but outside of football and men's basketball, what definitely is?
I'm okay with calling baseball/softball non-majors, but I think they carry way more weight than equestrian or wrestling.
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Hmm...I wonder why that could be?
And equestrian is a sport at OSU and we do have 5 National Championships in it but it's not included in the 51 NCAA National Championship count.
Other wise that would make for 56.
It's not NCAA regulated.
And the whole Olympic argument is just silly.
Softball was removed from the olympics recently for the next two olympics. Wrestling was voted to be removed as a constant sport at summer olympics but now it will most likely be added back in after outrage for it.
Either way that really doesn't matter. Both are NCAA collegiate sports.
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I'm not HERE to downgrade OU and I don't do so consistently.
I have informed opinions and recruiting info that I've added to this board that OU fans have even enjoyed hearing.
Am I going to take some cheap shots at OU everyonce in awhile especially when someone downgrades OSU? Yeah probably but I'm not here trolling or making threads about how OU sucks or w/e.
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Umm.....maybe because most Americans consider football, basketball, and baseball to be the three most commonly played/watched/followed sports? Maybe b/c everybody on this board has watched a college football, basketball, and probably even baseball game? Is it really THAT big of a stretch to say that football, basketball, and baseball are pretty easily the three most followed college sports amongst average Americans?
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Your opinions have too often proven to be misinformed.
Again, I don't know if you're truly ignorant about OU basketball or if you're just resorting to aggie spin, but calling them informed opinions doesn't change what they are. A cow paddy by any other name is still BS.
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No. TV exposure for women's softball and attendance at the WCWS and many campus sites grow almost every year. The only thing that has changed is what event is the end all. Equestrian and water polo draw no TV interest and have family and friends of competitors in the crowd outside of a very few places.
It gets down to this. Softball is a healthy college sport and growing, despite not being in the Olympics. College wrestling is and has been dying as a college sport across the country and this will only be hastened by not being in the Olympics. I'm sure its lack of popularity is a big contributor to it being dropped.
The sheer number of NCs OState has in WR is impressive but it is much easier to win NC in WR than say in college basketball if you have a championship caliber team. It's much easier to put together championship caliber teams if only a handful of programs take the sport seriously (OState, OU, Iowa, Iowa State, and a few others). OState hasnt even been the top WR program in the country since the mid 70's. I think many accomplishments in college athletics are far more impressive than what OState has done in WR (UCLA in basketball, UConn in women's basketball, ND, OU, Bama, USC in football, etc)
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I think your original post included softball...
I agree baseball is a major sport.
I just don't see the softball is way better than wrestling argument. They are both second tier sports with limited fan bases.
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I think there is a 3rd tier. That is where I'd put sports like wrestling and equestrian. College gymnastics probably goes there as well. Stuff like that. I just have a hard time lumping every college sport except football and men's basketball into the same tier.
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The thing I like about college softball is it was easy to wacth with my kids. They could understand what was going on and didn't try to mimik on each other. This is the real only time I watch softball or volleyball. I tried watching wrestling with my boy, well he got in trouble at school te next day for wrestling, and that was the end of that.
The answer my friends on what sports matter goes back to the great ESPN. If they play it it matters. So wrestling, not so much, Strong main copetitions Yes. (and yes I am joking)
The answer my friends on what sports matter goes back to the great ESPN. If they play it it matters. So wrestling, not so much, Strong main copetitions Yes. (and yes I am joking)
I think there are three tiers as well for college sports.
Tier 1: National TV coverage throughout its entire season.
Tier 2: Spot ESPN coverage during the regular season and heavy coverage during its postseason.
Tier 3: Little to no TV coverage.
My two questions are: Is Women's CBB Tier 1 or Tier 2? and...Is Women's Softball Tier 2 or Tier 3? Here's how I see the other sports: football and men's basketball - Tier 1; baseball and hockey - Tier 2; everything else - Tier 3. I wouldn't be surprised if lacrosse sneaks into the second tier 5-10 years from now, but wouldn't say it's there just yet.
Tier 1: National TV coverage throughout its entire season.
Tier 2: Spot ESPN coverage during the regular season and heavy coverage during its postseason.
Tier 3: Little to no TV coverage.
My two questions are: Is Women's CBB Tier 1 or Tier 2? and...Is Women's Softball Tier 2 or Tier 3? Here's how I see the other sports: football and men's basketball - Tier 1; baseball and hockey - Tier 2; everything else - Tier 3. I wouldn't be surprised if lacrosse sneaks into the second tier 5-10 years from now, but wouldn't say it's there just yet.
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Well done. Women's bball is Tier 1, Softball tier 2.
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I think women's softball solidly qualifies for Tier 2.
What about oswho's second bellcow sport, collegiate golf? I think that too is probably Tier 3, but perhaps I've just not come across the coverage of it.
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In typical OUHoops fashion the only thread with a decent amount of replies is the one concerning OSU. Frankly this is getting embarrassing
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Actually most Americans think of Football, Basketball, Baseball and Hockey as the four major sports. In this part of the country people don't know much about hockey but it is a major sport in the Northeast without a doubt and many other places in the country.
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The NHL is certainly a top 4 professionally. I dont think so about college hockey. Does college hockey get the coverage softball does? How many college hockey programs are there? Curious to know. I don't really hear about it until the Frozen Four is coming up. I do know some schools I have never heard of are really good at hockey.
Softball is bigger in more parts of the country and is growing in others. SEC, PAC 12, Big12, ACC. I'd say hockey is limited to some schools in the Big 10, AAC, ND, and those smaller schools I mentioned. Most major athletic programs don't have hockey. I would say most do have softball. I could be wrong.
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Maybe I'd have included hockey if I said "most Americans in the NE."
But when you limit it to all Americans, hockey doesn't match the other three, sorry. Neither does soccer, despite it's popularity in some circles.
And as was mentioned above, this discussion is more about college sports than pro. College hockey is but a speck of sand on the beach.
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