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Are you guys buying the "where there's smoke there's fire" theory on this one?

Here's the latest from today:

* The "insider" from TexAgs (Billy Lucci) was on the Paul Finebaum radio show this afternoon and said he thinks the deal could be done when the A&M Board of Regents meet on August 22 and that they could begin play in the SEC next year.

Also, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com is reporting that he thinks going independent is Texas' last resort and they would prefer to stay in the Big 12 and just add another team if A&M bolts.

That being said, here are some questions I have from OU's standpoint for everyone to ponder and comment on:

Does the Big 12 survive if A&M bolts and let's say, BYU, was the team added to replace them?

Do you think the powers that be at OU would want to stay in the Big 12 in the above scenario?

Or do you think once A&M officially sent in their papers they would then get more serious about the SEC?

Can the Pac-16 scenario happen with Texas, OU, OSU and Tech still happen? And can that happen with the Longhorn Network in-tact?

Which is the best scenario for OU basketball?
 
I am not smart enough to know the answers to any of those questions.
 
I really don't see OU going to the SEC. Not with aTm, not without them. IF we are forced to move, the PAC-10 it is. I prefer that over the SEC, but hate the late night games.

I think there is probably something to the rumors. Seems like a little too much smoke this time around, for there not to be a fire. Not to say aTm negotiations with the SEC won't breakdown, or that the Big 12 can't convince them to stay though. If they leave, and if the conference heads think it will work, I'd MUCH rather keep things intact and try to find a 10th team. Not sure BYU would be my first choice though. Might be a good spot to grab a Houston, and keep some of that market.
 
I really don't see OU going to the SEC. Not with aTm, not without them. IF we are forced to move, the PAC-10 it is. I prefer that over the SEC, but hate the late night games.

I think there is probably something to the rumors. Seems like a little too much smoke this time around, for there not to be a fire. Not to say aTm negotiations with the SEC won't breakdown, or that the Big 12 can't convince them to stay though. If they leave, and if the conference heads think it will work, I'd MUCH rather keep things intact and try to find a 10th team. Not sure BYU would be my first choice though. Might be a good spot to grab a Houston, and keep some of that market.

I totally agree. I don't understand why BYU keeps being brought up. If they were so valuable, the MWC would have had lots more money. Air Force would be a much better option. They would provide probably as much with a TV contract as BYU and especially without all the crap (not playing on Sunday, etc.) from Provo. To me, BYU adds nothing.
 
My own personal opinion is that if aTm bolts then go for Houston, BYU and try to convince TCU to flip and come to the Big XII. . . that would be a solid conference. . . Just my useless two cents
 
I'm of the belief that OU will be in a new conference by 2014. Just pure gut feeling
 
For OU basketball, I would prefer to stay in a conference with kstate, ku, ostate, and mizzou. BYU or TCU do nothing for me as a basketball fan. OU will choose a conference that is best for football, not basketball.
 
I'm of the belief that OU will be in a new conference by 2014. Just pure gut feeling

I agree, Sam. I'm even more convinced that the Big 12 conference will be nothing more than a distant memory three years from now. The unrest created when UT announced their plans to broadcast high school games on the Longhorn Network was just the beginning.
 
A couple things:

First, I'm sure Texas would LOVE to add another team and keep the Big 12 going, and being an independent is a last resort... for now. But I don't doubt for a second that independence is their ultimate goal. They just want to milk this conference for all its worth first while they get their network up and running.

Second, I think it's clear at this point that assigning blame to any one institution (namely Missouri, which received the bulk of it last summer) is unfair. Everyone, both individual institutions and the conferences themselves, are looking out for themselves with little to no regard for how it will impact anyone else.
 
Chip Brown has a new report on Orangebloods and Deloss Dodds says that they would like to see the Big 12 stay together if A&M left, but if it didn't they would look into starting a new conference with Notre Dame, FWIW.
 
For OU basketball, I would prefer to stay in a conference with kstate, ku, ostate, and mizzou. BYU or TCU do nothing for me as a basketball fan. OU will choose a conference that is best for football, not basketball.

I agree to some extent but in my opinion the reality of the situation is football pays the bills and will ultimately be the deciding factor.
 
LOL @ Texas A&M and Rick Perry. They both belong in the confederacy of dunces in the rube SEC.

A&M leaving would have zero impact on the Big XII other than freeing up more revenue for OU & UT.
 
My dream is that OU, Mizzou, ND, and Pitt go to the B1G Ten...realistically I think there's a >50% chance that we are playing in the Pac-16 with OSU, Taco Tech, and KU by 2013.
 
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This just in tonight from Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News:

School sources say the Big 12 would continue as a nine-team league, with four non-conference football games, if Texas A&M exits to the SEC.

Told that no other Big 12 school is considering following A&M if Aggies exit. Oklahoma is solid the Big 12, Texas committed too. We'll see.

Bottom line: Don't see signs of the Big 12 imploding yet, even if A&M departs. If Larry Scott changes his mind on the Longhorn Network. ...
 
A couple things:

First, I'm sure Texas would LOVE to add another team and keep the Big 12 going, and being an independent is a last resort... for now. But I don't doubt for a second that independence is their ultimate goal. They just want to milk this conference for all its worth first while they get their network up and running.

Second, I think it's clear at this point that assigning blame to any one institution (namely Missouri, which received the bulk of it last summer) is unfair. Everyone, both individual institutions and the conferences themselves, are looking out for themselves with little to no regard for how it will impact anyone else.

Disagree. Texas received a pretty good portion of the blame (to say the least) last summer.
 
I don't understand how the "money can be right" if aTm leaves? Aren't they the reason we get the Houston tv market? Wouldn't that decrease or go away if aTm goes elsewhere? That is a pretty big market to have just "go away" without trying to replace it. I don't understand why the Big 12 wants to keep getting smaller, and losing markets, and not even try to replace them. Conferences are going big, and here we are going small.
 
I think New Mexico, UNLV, BYU, and Notre Dame would all be candidates for expansion. TCU went Big East and doesn't add tv's as we all heard last year. I think if A&M bolts they try to expand and add one more. I think they stick with 10 from here on out. IMHO
 
ND has turned down the Big 10 numerous times. Why would they accept the Big XII?
 
The Big 12 is losing market share with every departing team, and the options to replace one of the best programs in college football history (Nebraska), a program that had a helluva ride from the mid-80s to early-00s and is at least connected to a major media market (Colorado, as indifferent as Denver might be to the Buffs, being in the same conference with CU at least guarantees whatever broadcast revenue you receive from that market), and now the second largest university in Texas (Texas A&M), are pathetic. Air Force? TCU? Houston?

You can't replace the second largest university in Texas with TCU or Houston and think everything is ok. You can't replace Nebraska with Air Force and think everything is ok. You can't replace Colorado with Colorado State and think everything is ok. Nebraska and Colorado are two of the three best programs from the Big 8. We're saddled with the bottom 5/8s of the Big 8.

We need to GTHO of this joke of a conference. Take your pick, SEC or PAC, either is better than the Longhorn conference.

My guess is that Boren knows we can go to the PAC-12 on our own terms, ostensibly on our own time, and is thus waiting to see what the SEC or even Big 10's best offer might be. He believes he can be patient. The PAC-12 needs us. They still lack major football programs outside of USC that can stand shoulder to shoulder with other national Tier 1 programs. In the national caste system, SEC has Alabama, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, and Auburn in the first tier (not to mention Georgia and Arkansas, which are decent second tier programs). Big 10 has Nebraska, Penn St, tOSU, and Michigan as Tier 1 (and Wisconsin, and Iowa, decent tier 2 programs). Even the ACC has tier 1 programs in Miami and FSU, and tier 2 programs in GA Tech, Boston College, and Va Tech. PAC 12 has USC as a tier 1 program...and that's it. Washington could be good again, but they, like Oregon, UCLA, and Colorado, are more in the "Georgia/Wisconsin" range than the Alabama/Michigan range--and UW and CU still have some regrouping to do in order to reach that stage.

The Pac 12 can't carve up the ACC or Big East like the SEC or BIG 10 can. OU (tier one program), Texas (tier one program), and Texas A&M (tier two program) are the only major "gets" for the PAC 12, and if UT takes themselves off the table, and Texas A&M goes to the SEC, then OU is it.

OSU is the albatross. I do not care about OSU, so what I'm saying is not based on "want" but on observation. We may be able to separate from OSU as a conference, but I guarantee there is no way in hell we can separate Bedlam. If OU was in the SEC, and OSU was in the MWC, we would still play OSU as a non-conference foe every year. Bedlam is OSU's financial lifeline. Not OU's, but OSU's. And thus, separating the annual match up would be stabbing OSU's prospects in the face. WE might think that's funny, but THEY will be in Defcon 4 survival mode.

There are enough Aggies in power in Oklahoma to keep Bedlam alive, regardless of conference affiliation. The Kentucky state legislature forced Kentucky and Louisville to play each other, and that could happen here in Oklahoma. There are many more Sooner fans than Aggies, many more Sooner voters than Aggie voters, but when you get down to it, the issue of OSU's athletic survival is more important to "likely" Aggie voters on this issue than "registered" Sooner voters. Most Sooners won't care either way, and they won't vote for or against anyone based on the issue. Aggies will. Not to mention Picken's pockets to pay for or against the campaigns of state officials...

Thus, in a schedule of 12 games, and 9 are tied up in conference games, leaving 3 non-conference games, 1 of which is tied up in OU-UT (which will never be a home game), and another tied up in Bedlam (which would probably still be home and away), that leaves one measely non-conference game, and for monetarily purposes, will always be Ball St or Utah St type of home game. No more chances to schedule Tennessee, LSU, FSU, tOSU, or whomever else we have on schedule in coming years, if UT and OSU are guaranteed non-con games ever year.

So it's not about protecting little brother, it's about protecting our schedule. It would be better for Bedlam to be a conference game than a non-conference game, or it would be better for the Red River Rivalry to be a conference game than a non-conference game, but for BOTH to be non-conference is unacceptable to Boren and Joe C. This is why we want to take OSU--it just makes everything easier, politically and financially.

So, it comes down to which conference will take OSU to get OU. The SEC, or the PAC? The PAC will, but Boren is holding out to see if the SEC might as well.
 
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