The Big 12 is about to be a power basketball conference

I have lived in Colorado and Oklahoma for the past 6 years and have seen more West Virginia football games than Missouri ones. Why? Because WVU is really good and on national tv all the time and Missouri sucks.

And, you can't tell me you would be more excited to play Missouri in basketball anymore either. WVU is clearly a better program/team. They had a fantastic coach who was building the program that everyone thought Missouri could be on the hardwood, and he left for Arkansas in a bizarre move. Mizzou has a brand new basketball arena, awesome facilities, he was recruiting very well, winning, etc. Seemed to have everything going, then he leaves for Arkansas and Mizzou will sink back down into the abyss of average teams.

And how much Big XII are you getting in Denver this season? My dad (which is not the best source) told me it is not on as much in Denver now that Colorado is in the Pac Ten.

I find it very hard to believe you have watched more West Virginia football than Missouri. OU has played Missouri a bunch of times in 6 years. Just watching those games alone is more West Virginia games than I have ever watched. I also have watched Missouri play against OUS, Texas, Kansas and probably others (although those are not games I would watch 100% of unless I just didn't have anything going on or it was the ABC Saturday night game).
 
The point was quite clearly not that MU was superior, but that WVU was no better. I have never claimed MU's athletic department has been anything but mediocre over its cumulative history.

I am against West Virginia but it is clearly a better athletic department than Missouri. Missouri is so average it could be made into a beer commercial joke.
 
And how much Big XII are you getting in Denver this season? My dad (which is not the best source) told me it is not on as much in Denver now that Colorado is in the Pac Ten.

I find it very hard to believe you have watched more West Virginia football than Missouri. OU has played Missouri a bunch of times in 6 years. Just watching those games alone is more West Virginia games than I have ever watched. I also have watched Missouri play against OUS, Texas, Kansas and probably others (although those are not games I would watch 100% of unless I just didn't have anything going on or it was the ABC Saturday night game).

I watched WVU when they were highly ranked and during good non-conference games. Have I seen them much since Holgorson took over? Not really. Will also concede that WVU has played quite a few Thursday night games, which gives them more national exposure.
 
Link?

I think that would be a terrible idea. I'd take them if they brought their football team, but no way I'd want then without it.

I feel the same way. I'd rather see a school like Houston get in than a Notre Dame without their football team.

I hope the Big 12 does not make the mistake of adding members that refuse to bring their football team to the table. The Big East tried that model, and it didn't work.
 
Fall 2010 Enrollment

MU - 32,415
WVU - 32,351

64 student difference. West Virginia has been wildly more successful so we know for a fact they bring way more appeal to a national viewing audience.

Missouri athletics has been in the news more the past year and a half than at any time during their entire history. When the dust settles they will never be heard from again while West Virginia will continue making national headlines because their performance will warrant it.

Big XII cleaned up on this one.
 
Fall 2010 Enrollment

MU - 32,415
WVU - 32,351

64 student difference. West Virginia has been wildly more successful so we know for a fact they bring way more appeal to a national viewing audience.

Missouri athletics has been in the news more the past year and a half than at any time during their entire history. When the dust settles they will never be heard from again while West Virginia will continue making national headlines because their performance will warrant it.

Big XII cleaned up on this one.

Here's something you may not know about WVU fans. They have always traveled well. You can bet that MU never saw the day when their fans were as dedicated and loyal as Mountaineer fans. I grew up in that state, even pull for the Eers when they're playing anyone but OU. People in West Virginia don't have a lot to cheer for. But they love WVU football and basketball!
 
People in West Virginia aren't going to be taking a whole lot of road trips to Norman.

Boca, what part of the facts don't support you do you not understand? There is not a single objective measure that shows West Virginia brings more viewers than Mizzou.

What does enrollment have to do with anything? If size mattered, MU would be more valuable than OU. Your numbers are off by several thousand, anyway. WVU's 2010 fall enrollment was 29,000. MU's was nearly 34,000. Both schools have set enrollment records lately (MU's growth is tops among all AAU universities), but MU outpaces WVU by several thousand.

West Virginia hasn't made national headlines since their Fiesta Bowl win over OU (when MU finished higher than WVU in both the AP and USA Today polls). They've won 9 games/season since then and have been irrelevant on a national stage. At least Mizzou's continued putting out NFL first rounders.
 
The Big 12 powers have already screwed up the conference. Inviting WV into the Big 12 WAC conference would be a huge mistake. They should add three teams from the west and be done with it. The damage has already been done.

:capelspin
 
Is sawyer 14 years old? I'm really beginning to wonder. Has not a clue about history and zero working knowledge of media or business.

Here's some more data for you to say is not relevant ... HEAD TO HEAD RATINGS.

WVU, who you say has not been nationally relevant since 2007 played a game vs LSU this year and guess what? It went HEAD TO HEAD with OU vs Mizzou. Your marquee game of the season.

WVU vs LSU 6.5 million viewers 2.3 share
OU vs Mizzou 1.9 million viewers .7 share

Where are all those TV sets in Missouri? Was there a power outage? Because we know the vast majority of those viewers were watching the Sooners.

Of those 4 teams there was 1 weak link and everybody, including the SEC powers, know who it is. Missouri is fools gold.

Read it and weap
 
And I'm sure that had nothing to do with ABC vs. FX...

Last year's MU/OU game was in the same ABC slot LSU and WVU had this year. Guess what? 6.3 million viewers (7.6 by the end of the game). That's going head to head with a clinching game 6 in the NLCS in addition to college football that night; the NLCS game drew 10 million viewers, which dwarfs anything LSU/WVU had to compete with this year (UF @ UK on ESPN, Vandy @ SC on ESPN2, Nebraska @ Wyoming on Vs. and some random late-season baseball on MLBN).

Funny how when you compare apples to apples things look so much different...
 
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Still less huh, even a month later in the season vs #1 OU after BCS rankings had begun Missouri still brought lower ratings than WVU.

Just give up, agree with every sports fan on the planet that WVU is superior to MU in every aspect.

Now run along to an SEC board and discuss the lynching of James T Scott, the supreme court case brought by LLoyd L. Gaines and the Missouri Compromise. Heck you all have a lot in common. It's a perfect fit. Along with the fact that as you continue losing you will now claim it's only because you play in the S-E-C S-E-C S-E-C
 
Still less huh, even a month later in the season vs #1 OU after BCS rankings had begun Missouri still brought lower ratings than WVU.

Just give up, agree with every sports fan on the planet that WVU is superior to MU in every aspect.

Now run along to an SEC board and discuss the lynching of James T Scott, the supreme court case brought by LLoyd L. Gaines and the Missouri Compromise. Heck you all have a lot in common. It's a perfect fit. Along with the fact that as you continue losing you will now claim it's only because you play in the S-E-C S-E-C S-E-C

0.2 million fewer viewers... on a night when 10 million people watched baseball. WVU/LSU had no network competition that night.

The Greenwood District and Dawes Act say hello.
 
I love the boca vs. sawyer rivalry. Never a dull moment.

Notice how I constantly quote different data points and sawyer is always ready with an excuse? But no real data points. Just his personal hypothesis explaining why the data points are all against Missouri.

It's funny how many different data points there are and all he's got is this mythical tv set argument based on Missouri's population. If that was the case Rutgers would be #1 by far the choice of everybody.
 
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Notice how I constantly quote different data points and sawyer is always ready with an excuse? But no real data points. Just his personal hypothesis explaining why the data points are all against Missouri.

It's funny how many different data points there are and all he's got is this mythical tv set argument based on Missouri's population. If that was the case Rutgers would be #1 by far the choice of everybody.

You've given one stat, and all that did is prove more people watch the ABC primetime game than FX. The MU game in the same time slot the previous year did virtually the same numbers (better numbers by the end of the game) despite significantly more head to head competition.
 
People in West Virginia aren't going to be taking a whole lot of road trips to Norman.

The point I made is that WVU fans are far more likely to travel in support of their teams than Missouri fans. I stand by that statement. Pick any game you want where distance is a major factor in fan support, and Mountaineer fans will pass the test. I have no idea why that's true, but it's been that way for a long time.
 
The point I made is that WVU fans are far more likely to travel in support of their teams than Missouri fans. I stand by that statement. Pick any game you want where distance is a major factor in fan support, and Mountaineer fans will pass the test. I have no idea why that's true, but it's been that way for a long time.

Less competition for the West Virginia sports dollar.

If you look at most of the teams with fans known to travel well, there isn't much in-state competition. In West Virginia, that is THE attraction. In Nebraska, that's all they have. In Missouri, there are two MLB teams and two NFL teams that siphon off some of the money people would otherwise spend.

Two decades of consistent losing on Mizzou's part also played a big role in it on our end. During the 80s and 90s, people shifted their focus (and finances) to other teams. They may root for the Tigers, but they're not as financially dedicated yet. It's something I see changing over time (the SEC will help get MU fans into the traveling mood IMO), but it will be tough to ever match the level of states without pro teams.
 
Less competition for the West Virginia sports dollar.

If you look at most of the teams with fans known to travel well, there isn't much in-state competition. In West Virginia, that is THE attraction. In Nebraska, that's all they have. In Missouri, there are two MLB teams and two NFL teams that siphon off some of the money people would otherwise spend.

We know that...that's why he said it.
 
About 10:30 tonight, the article below went live on the official SEC website. Notice that it says "announced Monday". It was dated 10/22/11. There were also links to other things like a Q&A with Tommy Barnhardt that was all about Missouri joining the SEC. Well after only about 5 minutes, maybe not even that, the article (and material linked to it) vanished. I officially don't think it is possible for this conference realignment saga to get any stranger. It's just not possible.


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Given the ever-changing conference paradigm over the past year, the Southeastern Conference has continued to demonstrate its commitment to maintaining its stature as one of the nation’s premier conferences by welcoming the University of Missouri as the league’s 14th member, Commissioner Mike Slive announced Monday.

Missouri joins Texas A&M University as the league’s two new institutions who will begin full membership on July 1, 2012. It is the first expansion of the SEC membership since Arkansas and South Carolina joined the conference in 1992.

Missouri was a charter member of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907, which became the Big Six Conference in 1964, the Big Eight Conference in 1964 and the Big 12 Conference in 1996.

Geographically, it is a natural fit as the state of Missouri touches more states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee) that currently are home to an SEC institution than any other state that is not in the league’s previous 13-member footprint. Like the majority of the cities in the SEC, Columbia, Mo., is a college-centered town with a metropolitan population of 164,283, making it the fifth-largest city in the state of Missouri.

With an enrollment of 32,415, the University of Missouri boasts a strong academic resume, as it is one of only five universities nationwide with law, medicine, veterinary medicine and a research reactor on one campus. Six of Missouri’s sports teams last season led the Big 12 in graduation rate for their respective sports.

Culturally, Missouri is as well known for its barbecue, country music, history and rich tradition as the majority of the current states of the SEC.

Missouri is one of only 35 public U.S. universities invited to membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). It will become the fourth SEC school that is part of the AAU, joining Florida, Texas A&M and Vanderbilt.

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Monday’s announcement marks just the fourth time in the history of the conference that the SEC will expand its membership. In a landscape that has seemed ever-changing in recent years, the SEC has exemplified stability as 10 of its original 13 members remain.

The league began as a 13-team league until Sewanee’s departure from the conference in 1940. After Georgia Tech’s move to independent status in 1964, the league had 11 members before Tulane departed in 1966, leaving the SEC as a 10-team conference for more than two decades.

At the start of the decade of the 1990s, a similar shift in conference alignment allowed Arkansas and South Carolina to join the SEC. The benefits have been nothing short of outstanding.

Soon after joining the league, the Razorbacks claimed the 1994 NCAA Championship in men’s basketball and finished as the NCAA runner-up the following year. They made their first appearance in the SEC Championship football game in 1995, appearing again in 2002 and 2006.

The Arkansas women’s basketball team made its first-ever Final Four appearance in 1998 before winning the WNIT the next season. The level of track and field in the SEC was quickly raised with the addition of the Razorbacks. Arkansas’ men won cross country national titles in 1992, 1993, 1995, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Men’s NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships came every year from 1993-2000 and again in 2003, 2005 and 2006. The men also claimed NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships from 1993-1999 and again in 2003.

South Carolina won the Women’s NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championship in 2002, becoming, at the time, just the second different SEC team to claim an NCAA Women’s Outdoor Track and Field Championship. The past two seasons have been magical ones for the Gamecocks, as they have captured back-to-back NCAA Championships in baseball and advanced to the SEC Championship game in football for the first time in the program’s history.

On September 25, 2011, Texas A&M was announced as the league’s 13th member, beginning with the 2012-13 academic year.

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Missouri took to the field for the first time in 1890, making it one of the first SEC institutions to begin playing football. Kentucky played a three-game schedule in 1881, but didn’t play again until a decade later. Vanderbilt also began its football program in 1890.

Don Faurot was one of the early founders of Missouri athletics, as he was a three-sport standout for the Tigers from 1922-24. He served the school as its football coach from 1935-56 and continued on as the athletics director until 1967. Faurot is known for the creation of the Split-T formation in 1941. The formation’s option play still today serves as the basis for many present-day schemes, including the Wishbone, Wingbone, Veer and I-Formation.

Faurot compiled a record of 101-79-10, making the school’s first modern-day bowl appearance in 1939 when it advanced to the Orange Bowl. Until 1994, the year prior to his death, Faurot was heavily involved in the annual Blue-Gray football game in Montgomery, Ala.

The Tigers rose to national prominence under head coach Dan Devine in the 1960s, when Devine’s winning percentage of .767 was the best in the nation during that decade. In 13 seasons at Missouri, Devine posted a record of 93-37-7 and eight players earned First-Team All-America honors. His 1960 Missouri squad finished with an 11-0 record and defeated Navy 21-14 in the Orange Bowl. The 1965 squad went 8-2-1 and defeated Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The Tigers won the Big Eight Conference in 1960 and 1969 under Devine.

Since 2007, the football Tigers have claimed three Big 12 North Championships. Under current head coach Gary Pinkel, Missouri posted a 12-2 record in 2007 and defeated Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl.

The Tigers began playing basketball in 1906 and enjoyed the greatest amount of success under legendary head coach Norm Stewart from 1967-99. In 32 years, Stewart led Missouri to 634 wins and 333 losses for a .656 winning percentage, the best in program history. Stewart’s teams won 20 or more games 17 times, including a school-record 29 wins during the 1988-89 season. He won eight Big Eight Conference championships and six conference tournament titles.

Missouri started competing in the sport of baseball in 1891 and won the College World Series in 1954, marking the school’s first national title in any sport. The Tigers have made six CWS appearances in the program’s history, including three national runner-up finishes (1952, 1958, 1964).

The Tigers also have had great success in the sport of track and field and won the NCAA Men’s Indoor Championship in 1965. The soccer and softball teams have been proficient as of late with soccer winning the 2009 Big 12 Championship and softball claiming that title in 2011.


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