The curse of coach Jeff Capel - Ha Ha = Duke

[WTSooner]

If "defending Capel" means that you don't spend the rest of your life wishing for him to fail in everything he does, I guess I'm guilty as charged.

The rest of your life?

My goodness, the man hasn't even been gone a full year yet, I don't think. Billy Tubbs' name still gets brought up, and he hasn't been at OU in what, nearly 20 years? Kelvin still get's talked about, and he has been gone for 6 years. Why do you think it'll be any different with Capel? The talk will die down in time. So how about you give it just that, some time.

 

[Big Old Booger]

By no means was I a Capel fan (as our head coach) but I wish no ill will on the guy.

He turned our program into dog$%^# overnight but I blame Joe C more for the hire than I do for Capel being the one in charge.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Two things I don't get about OU basketball are: 1 - why people defend Capel. He truly set this program back a long, long way; and 2 - why so many people didn't like Sampson. It is almost like the guys are treated exactly opposite of how they should be treated based on results as a head coach.

I liked the winning atmosphere and the workman-like attitude Sampson brought......but hate the fact that he gave off a squeaky clean image and skipped out on OU when the NCAA came calling on the cheating that was going on while on Sampsons watch. Call it what you want or try to say it was 'insignificant' stuff but he was cheating and he was a repeat offender......defend him and defend his actions but he was smart enough not to do it but did anyway and then tried to find his way around it later.

As far as Capel.....he MADE this a mediocre program. It happened under his watch and it will take another year to two years or more for OU to recover from what he did. I think any criticism is fair and warranted. The guy never really even took responsibility for it. He either blamed his assistants and let them take the fall or blamed his players and let them take the fall. In the end it was all a direct reflection of his leadership.


The part that irks me is the guys coming on here bashing Kruger for his 'coaching' when he was left a nasty mess to clean up. He proved to me this year that he was a FAR better coach than Capel will ever be. You Capel defenders baffle me.

 

[Sid]

By no means was I a Capel fan (as our head coach) but I wish no ill will on the guy.

He turned our program into dog$%^# overnight but I blame Joe C more for the hire than I do for Capel being the one in charge.

I don't understand why there are so many people on this board willing to kiss Joe's arse and give him a pass. He obviously did not think very highly of the basketball program or he would not have replaced Kelvin with a mid-major coach. Lon has to pick up the pieces and rebuild the foundation that Joe and Jeff destroyed. I don't blame the students for staying home and watching the Kardashians or American idol.

 

[jerry]

Capel part of another horrid loss. I love seeing him sitting on another team's bench carrying his bosses briefcase as they get dismantled by a 15 seed namen Lehigh.

Thank God the Jeff Capel OU night terror is over.:facepalm

Have fun Duke:woot

Agree. Capel ruined a good program at OU.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I liked the winning atmosphere and the workman-like attitude Sampson brought......but hate the fact that he gave off a squeaky clean image and skipped out on OU when the NCAA came calling on the cheating that was going on while on Sampsons watch. Call it what you want or try to say it was 'insignificant' stuff but he was cheating and he was a repeat offender......defend him and defend his actions but he was smart enough not to do it but did anyway and then tried to find his way around it later.

As far as Capel.....he MADE this a mediocre program. It happened under his watch and it will take another year to two years or more for OU to recover from what he did. I think any criticism is fair and warranted. The guy never really even took responsibility for it. He either blamed his assistants and let them take the fall or blamed his players and let them take the fall. In the end it was all a direct reflection of his leadership.


The part that irks me is the guys coming on here bashing Kruger for his 'coaching' when he was left a nasty mess to clean up. He proved to me this year that he was a FAR better coach than Capel will ever be. You Capel defenders baffle me.

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[KCRuf/Nek]

I keep seeing that our program is "crushed" and "ruined". It's in a bad place but it's not that bad. I remember living in Vegas when Tark left the program in shambles(as he did everyplace he went) and then Rolle and Bayno came in and threw gas on the fire. Talk about a down program. Then, after Spoonhour stopped the bleeding and righted the ship Kruger(yes the same Kruger) came in and got them back to winning and being a solid program. He'll do the same here and people, we are far from ruined.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I keep seeing that our program is "crushed" and "ruined". It's in a bad place but it's not that bad. I remember living in Vegas when Tark left the program in shambles(as he did everyplace he went) and then Rolle and Bayno came in and threw gas on the fire. Talk about a down program. Then, after Spoonhour stopped the bleeding and righted the ship Kruger(yes the same Kruger) came in and got them back to winning and being a solid program. He'll do the same here and people, we are far from ruined.

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Great post. I shake my head every time I read about our program being ruined. We are down now, but far from ruined.

 

[bocabull]

I shake my head every time I read about our program being ruined.

Exactly. We basically lost 2 full recruiting classes due to unexpected defections and a coaching change but still have a nice roster. Next season we will have plenty of talent to field a solid team. A program like OU recovers quickly.

The doom and gloomers are wrong 75% of the time. Just like the dolts saying the US is down and out and losing our place in the world. Couldn't be more wrong. We have entered a new phase of dominance. S&P 500 earnings will be a record this year as will GDP. Our equity markets will set records soon. The 10 year treasury notes are trading at record low yields around 2% reflecting our place as the world safest and best run economy. Innovation? last time I checked iPhone, iPad, Facebook, google, twitter, etc profits are flowing to US companies and will be for the next decade. GM? Back to being the largest car maker in the world and just posted record earnings. The list goes on and on but sadly there aren't many bright people in this country who even understand these things.

 

[skyvue]

Great post. I shake my head every time I read about our program being ruined. We are down now, but far from ruined.

It's a matter of semantics, really. "Ruined" may well be an overstatement, but given that we hadn't missed the postseason in 25 years when Capel arrived and we've now missed it four out of the past six seasons, I think people are entitled to feel a bit of despair.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

It's a matter of semantics, really. "Ruined" may well be an overstatement, but given that we hadn't missed the postseason in 25 years when Capel arrived and we've now missed it four out of the past six seasons, I think people are entitled to feel a bit of despair.

A bit of despair vs Ruined??? Big difference. People didn't even call our football team ruined during the Blake/Schnelly years.

I agree it's semantics, added with alot of Drama Queen tendencies. It just makes their Capel bashin' more justified.

It's all good Sky. I will continue to do my usual occasional posting. The KS bashin' didn't run me off, neither will the JC bashin'. Its what our fans do......

 

[skyvue]

People didn't even call our football team ruined during the Blake/Schnelly years.

They didn't? I recall some pretty dire posts in those days. And honestly, who could blame them?

I don't think anyone thinks OU won't ever be good at hoops again, but even the thought of waiting two or three seasons, if it takes that long to get back to the dance, is painful.

 

[bocabull]

In the 12 seasons from 1990 to 2001 OU only won 4 NCAA games. In the last 6 years OU has won 4 NCAA games. There is no reason to feel despair. OU is an average program that occasionally lands a great player and makes a run. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[skyvue]

In the 12 seasons from 1990 to 2001 OU only won 4 NCAA games. In the last 6 years OU has won 4 NCAA games. There is no reason to feel despair. OU is an average program that occasionally lands a great player and makes a run. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's an accurate comparison only if you focus only on the NCAA tourney. Some of us -- I would even say most of us -- find great enjoyment in a season of 20+ wins, even if things don't go so well in the tourney. And between 1990 and 2001, OU enjoyed nine 20-win (or more) seasons; in the past six years, we've seen just two such seasons.

So it's apples and oranges you're comparing.

But then you're one who has admitted rarely even watching the Sooners play, so it's clear that you are not not a typical OU fan, and thank goodness for that.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

That's an accurate comparison only if you focus only on the NCAA tourney. Some of us -- I would even say most of us -- find great enjoyment in a season of 20+ wins, even if things don't go so well in the tourney. And between 1990 and 2001, OU enjoyed nine 20-win (or more) seasons; in the past six years, we've seen just two such seasons.

So it's apples and oranges you're comparing.

But then you're one who has admitted rarely even watching the Sooners play, so it's clear that you are not not a typical OU fan, and thank goodness for that.

U know Sky, i keep seeing several posters making this argument, but what i remember most about the KS haters(and they were many), was how they complained about winning 20 seasonal games, and then exit the tourney early. In fact it was the biggest ks complaint before phonegate, and the lack of exciting offense.

 

[skyvue]

U know Sky, i keep seeing several posters making this argument, but what i remember most about the KS haters(and they were many), was how they complained about winning 20 seasonal games, and then exit the tourney early. In fact it was the biggest ks complaint before phonegate, and the lack of exciting offense.

Oh, absolutely. There are those for whom the tourney is all (or nearly all), and that was the biggest complaint about Sampson--though it was interesting to note that many of the same people who hated him for that continued to hate him even when our tourney fortunes improved. The real problem with Kelvin, for the ABKS crowd, was that he wasn't Billy.

But to claim relative equivalence between Capel's tenure and Sampson's is so ridiculous that I can't really imagine anyone but boca even going there.

 

[SoonerinNC]

Kelvin was a good coach and the revisionists will never change that. He made a mistake and the NCAA decided to make a poster child out of him while looking the other way when Calipari has been caught twice for something far more worse than too many phone calls. Kelvin could have accomplished much the same with texting but must have been a little techinogical deficient.

And most of the people who would applaud someone for taking a better job when offered seem to attach terminal betrayal to Sampson for doing the same.

Capel was not a good coach. It was masked some for a period with the players left by Sampson and Blake Griffin but his recruiting decisions really left the cupboard dry. Some decent players but the defections left the Sooners with no depth. And we have no freshmen or sophomores that make an impact on the team.

And I find it a little wierd to blame Sampson for the loss of 80% of the incoming recruiting class. Where has that ever happened before. Most incoming coaches hold most of the recruiting classes.

I never felt that Capel had control over the team and never saw any semblence of an offense. Probably a nice guy and young enough to learn and become a good college coach. Time will tell and I never wish anything bad for him.

And I suspect that he had 0% impact on Duke's loss to Lehigh.

 

[buttermaker1]

The buck stops with coach K but Capel has influence on team chemistry, planning and coaching he is more than a bag man for AAU handlers. Watch him during the game he is very active as an assistant coach.

 

[bocabull]

That's an accurate comparison only if you focus only on the NCAA tourney. Some of us -- I would even say most of us -- find great enjoyment in a season of 20+ wins, even if things don't go so well in the tourney. And between 1990 and 2001, OU enjoyed nine 20-win (or more) seasons; in the past six years, we've seen just two such seasons.

So it's apples and oranges you're comparing.

But then you're one who has admitted rarely even watching the Sooners play, so it's clear that you are not not a typical OU fan, and thank goodness for that.

The 20 win season "standard" was created as a diversion from the true measuring stick which is performance against quality competition. Compiling 20 wins has more to do with scheduling than the quality of the team which is what true basketball fans are concerned with. You see I'm a basketball fan first and an OU fan second. For a lot of people that's in reverse. Nothing wrong with that, just a different perspective gained from a lifetime of playing the game.

How many years did Kansas State notch 10 win football seasons without winning anything that mattered by playing a terrible non conference schedule when the Big 8 was terribly weak? To me that's what those 20 win, 1 and done seasons are equivalent to.

 

[WTSooner]

Nothing wrong with that, just a different perspective gained from a lifetime of playing the game.

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