This is why coaches get fired

[SoonerBounce13]

The fact that you continue to falsely say that they finished higher in the standings shows that you are either stupid or simply want to drive an agenda and are willing to lie to do so.

I'm not lying or stupid.
OSU was the 8 seed and we were the 9 seed in the tournament

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The fact that you continue to falsely say that they finished higher in the standings shows that you are either stupid or simply want to drive an agenda and are willing to lie to do so.

Also, as to the OP, as some have correctly noted, we have had one bad year ('16-'17) under Lon. So if you think it takes a few bad years to get a coach fired, I guess you should be prepared for it to take a while for anything to happen. Just like it was amusing to see so many on here predict OU wouldn't make the tourney in the days before the bracket came out, it is now funny to see people speculate on when Lon should be fired based on next season -- which is 7+ months from starting.

This was a bad year. Like it or not.
When you just look at the end result, i was an improvement from last year. But when you start hot, and spend over half the season in a tail spin, it is a failure. We got worse as the year went on. If we would have started off bad but gotten better as the season wore on, it would have been a successful season.

But we are in no better shape as a program than we were two years ago. That is a bad season. We wasted a great player

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

The fact that you continue to falsely say that they finished higher in the standings shows that you are either stupid or simply want to drive an agenda and are willing to lie to do so.

Also, as to the OP, as some have correctly noted, we have had one bad year ('16-'17) under Lon. So if you think it takes a few bad years to get a coach fired, I guess you should be prepared for it to take a while for anything to happen. Just like it was amusing to see so many on here predict OU wouldn't make the tourney in the days before the bracket came out, it is now funny to see people speculate on when Lon should be fired based on next season -- which is 7+ months from starting.

That's what it is. You have to have an agenda to continue repeating that 8-10 does not equal 8-10.

 

[thebigabd]

I'm not lying or stupid.
OSU was the 8 seed and we were the 9 seed in the tournament

What's so hard about that? Are these people in denial or something?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That's what it is. You have to have an agenda to continue repeating that 8-10 does not equal 8-10.

They were seeded higher in the CONFERENCE tournament.
They ended the year with the same conference record, split the games with us, had better conference wins, progressed as the year went on, and had a better overall record.

but yeah, i'm the one with an agenda

 

[Matthew G]

Nobody picked them to be in.

Most on here picked us to barely squeak in. That's what we did, yet now this season was a failure.


PICK ONE.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

They were seeded higher in the CONFERENCE tournament.
They ended the year with the same conference record, split the games with us, had better conference wins, progressed as the year went on, and had a better overall record.

but yeah, i'm the one with an agenda

You've said over and over that OSU finished higher in the conference standings than OU did. You said it in this thread just a few posts above this one. That's patently false. 4 teams finished at 8-10, tied for 6th. OSU and OU were 2 of the 4.

http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&SPID=13134

Yes, you're the one with the agenda.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Most on here picked us to barely squeak in. That's what we did, yet now this season was a failure.


PICK ONE.

No. That is revisionist history if I ever saw it.

Most on here thought us being ranked 6th in the big 12 preseason was ludicrous and we could finish top 4.

Even at top 6, that wouldn't be squeaking in.

Most fans thought that we would be much improved. The young guys that didn't know how to close games would mature and be playing with a great freshman. We would win those games we lost down the stretch last year and that would account for a much improved team. Well that didn't happen.

Its also how we finished. There is a huge difference in starting hot and getting worse as the season wears on vs struggling early and improving. You end at the same point but one team is better than the other

 

[SoonerBounce13]

You've said over and over that OSU finished higher in the conference standings than OU did. You said it in this thread just a few posts above this one. That's patently false. 4 teams finished at 8-10, tied for 6th. OSU and OU were 2 of the 4.

http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&SPID=13134

Yes, you're the one with the agenda.

my agenda is reality.

Tell me why the conference seeded OSU ahead of us in the tourney. Why didn't they just use the conference standings tie breakers? There's a reason.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Silly me, I keep forgetting that osu beat us twice.

 

[thebigabd]

So you guys are saying OU just drew the short stick and that's why they had the 9 seed? Had nothing to do with tie breakers? That 4 teams finished 6th and OU just happened to be the 9, but if they drew a different number out of a hat could have been 5th or 6th?

 

[TINY]

So you guys are saying OU just drew the short stick and that's why they had the 9 seed? Had nothing to do with tie breakers? That 4 teams finished 6th and OU just happened to be the 9, but if they drew a different number out of a hat could have been 5th or 6th?

If you tie for the best record, you are the conference champ. There is no tiebreaker to determine who is the conference champ. Every team with the best record is a conference champ. How do you not understand that the same thing applies to all standings throughout?

 

[WichitaSooner]

So you guys are saying OU just drew the short stick and that's why they had the 9 seed? Had nothing to do with tie breakers? That 4 teams finished 6th and OU just happened to be the 9, but if they drew a different number out of a hat could have been 5th or 6th?

Do this many of you really not understand tiebreakers? There are about a million different ones that come into play, and the only reason they do it is because they have to seed the tourney. In other words, if you were to ask the Big 12 what spot OU finished in the regular season, they would tell you they tied for 6th. They would give the same answer for OSU.

But since you seem confused, the reason they got seeded ahead of us this year had NOTHING to do with their record against KU or West Virginia. It was because they had a better record in games against the other three teams involved in the tiebreaker (OU, Texas, and Baylor).

 

[sperry]

This team was going to be bad with McGusty. It will be worse without him, but I don't really care if a team wins 10 games vs. 14 games. It's bad and unacceptable no matter how you slice it.


This is about the 2019 recruiting class at this point. How are we going to refill this roster with talent that we can build on. And who gets to lead that transformation? We were awful and missed the tournament in 2017. We barely squeaked in after a late season collapse in 2018. We are likely to be dead last in the Big XII in 2019.

Has Lon earned the right to turn this around? How is this different from Jeff Capel, where we had a very successful team make an elite 8 run and lost to the eventual champs, then the bottom completely fell out?

My feelings are that Lon has earned the right not to be fired, but he should also do the right thing and step down. Let's get a young, innovative coach in here (a la Lincoln Riley) who will build their own stamp on the program with a look towards long term success.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Do this many of you really not understand tiebreakers? There are about a million different ones that come into play, and the only reason they do it is because they have to seed the tourney. In other words, if you were to ask the Big 12 what spot OU finished in the regular season, they would tell you they tied for 6th. They would give the same answer for OSU.

But since you seem confused, the reason they got seeded ahead of us this year had NOTHING to do with their record against KU or West Virginia. It was because they had a better record in games against the other three teams involved in the tiebreaker (OU, Texas, and Baylor).

Last I checked, tiebreakers are used to break ties. So that you can see which team had the better season for seeding purposes. So if OSU was above OU in those tiebreakers....

 

[152219]

Last I checked, tiebreakers are used to break ties. So that you can see which team had the better season for seeding purposes. So if OSU was above OU in those tiebreakers....

For seeding for the Big 12 tourney.

In KU's Big 12 streak, there are multiple years that they won the title in which they actually tied and weren't the #1 seed in the Big 12 tourney. Do you ever hear that mentioned or was KU awarded the Big 12 championship that year and the streak is what the number is?

 

[thebigabd]

Who cares about this anyway... This season was not a success given expectations, and especially adjusted expectations after Christmas...

The point is the wheels are coming off and he needs some players to turn it around next year.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Nobody picked them to be in.

I don't care what pundits picked..

 

[152219]

Who cares about this anyway... This season was not a success given expectations, and especially adjusted expectations after Christmas...

The point is the wheels are coming off and he needs some players to turn it around next year.

What were the expectations going into the year? Most said before the season that the expectation was to make the tourney with a few saying that the top end for the season would be a Sweet 16 appearance.

OU made the NCAA tourney, which met the expectation of pretty much every poster on this board.

 

[thebigabd]

What were the expectations going into the year? Most said before the season that the expectation was to make the tourney with a few saying that the top end for the season would be a Sweet 16 appearance.

OU made the NCAA tourney, which met the expectation of pretty much every poster on this board.

Dude, come on... OU was ranked in the top 5 heading in January. You have preseason expectations, but those get changed based on how you actually play... When you go from a top 5 ranking to barely making the NCAA Tournament and getting ousted in the first round, there really isn't a positive spin on that...

Then, it turns out all the stuff people were speculating about was at least partially true... You guys branded me as some sort of villain for daring to imply that something was wrong with this particular team... Now TY leaves, McGusty is gone, Shepherd is gone, others may be gone as well... Manek, the most promising young player, is on record saying the team gave up.

It's like some of you guys aren't acknowledging these things....