TRAE!!!- Announced as Asst GM- Donation

BoulderSooner said:
can i say that I know this for 100% fact (no i was not there) but I have been told by those who know that he was not involved in this decision .. and in general has been a hinderance to pretty much all nil fundraising ..
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The GM's report to the guy that reports to Joe C.

He was involved.
 
BoulderSooner said:
can i say that I know this for 100% fact (no i was not there) but I have been told by those who know that he was not involved in this decision .. and in general has been a hinderance to pretty much all nil fundraising ..
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This 100% jives with what I’ve heard about the NIL piece. I have no idea about the Trae situation but it tracks.
 
BoulderSooner said:
can i say that I know this for 100% fact (no i was not there) but I have been told by those who know that he was not involved in this decision .. and in general has been a hinderance to pretty much all nil fundraising ..
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I totally believe that Joe C. has been a stumbling block to NIL fundraising. I can also believe that both he and Porter were probably not in the loop on this decision.

But who would have approved Trae's position and donation? Joe H.?
 
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pnkranger said:
He has to. He's officially a "state" employee if he's a formal representative of the University and requires an Employee ID #, a supervisor, etc.
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The way I read this, and I could be 100% wrong, is that it’s an unofficial position. It’s like an NIL gatekeeper.
 
The guy led the country in assists by nearly a full assist per game (.8 to be exact) and people on here want to call him a selfish player. Crazy.

He had one game where he was probably a little too selfish and the whole team quit on him after that. That's not a selfish player, that's a freshman trying to do more on his own and having to learn from it.

It said much more about the other players on that team than it did about Trae when the slide occurred after that.
 
BoulderSooner said:
OU doesn't have a basketball GM yet ........................... BECAUSE of joe c
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Because they wanted to wait a bit to see how NIL was going to shake out? OU doesn't have money to waste going down one path only to have to change course a year later. Nothing wrong with being conservative and letting the rules get in place before you start figuring out how you want to play the game.

And personally, I think having a GM for basketball is a bunch of trash. Yes, the Portal and transfers makes things a bit more complex, but it doesn't take a GM to advance scout that. Any number of support staff could be assisting with that. It's what, 13 scholarships? More wasted money to have a GM. Where is DOGE when you need it.
 
Doge is too busy pretending they can solve problems using a chainsaw and 19 year old software interns lol.

If you want to eliminate waste in the AD, just eliminate college athletics .. stop building giant stadiums, maintaining huge highly paid staffs, separate dorms, etc .. and spin off those that make money as a separate business, pro sports teams, and sell them the stadium.
 
WTSooner said:
Because they wanted to wait a bit to see how NIL was going to shake out? OU doesn't have money to waste going down one path only to have to change course a year later. Nothing wrong with being conservative and letting the rules get in place before you start figuring out how you want to play the game.

And personally, I think having a GM for basketball is a bunch of trash. Yes, the Portal and transfers makes things a bit more complex, but it doesn't take a GM to advance scout that. Any number of support staff could be assisting with that. It's what, 13 scholarships? More wasted money to have a GM. Where is DOGE when you need it.
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the OU athletics dept spent the 7th most money in the country last year .. they have plenty of money ..
 
WTSooner said:
Because they wanted to wait a bit to see how NIL was going to shake out? OU doesn't have money to waste going down one path only to have to change course a year later. Nothing wrong with being conservative and letting the rules get in place before you start figuring out how you want to play the game.

And personally, I think having a GM for basketball is a bunch of trash. Yes, the Portal and transfers makes things a bit more complex, but it doesn't take a GM to advance scout that. Any number of support staff could be assisting with that. It's what, 13 scholarships? More wasted money to have a GM. Where is DOGE when you need it.
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I've heard and read many times that the schools that are best at portal recruiting have someone on top of pretty much every team's roster damn near 365 days a year -- watching video, figuring out who would be a good fit if/when they enter the portal, and even doing background work to figure out whether there would be any offcourt/chemistry issues. I think that's a lot to put on the plate of a head coach or assistant coaches who need to primarily focus on coaching. In pro sports, you generally don't see the head coach/manager also playing the role of GM.
 
WichitaSooner said:
I've heard and read many times that the schools that are best at portal recruiting have someone on top of pretty much every team's roster damn near 365 days a year -- watching video, figuring out who would be a good fit if/when they enter the portal, and even doing background work to figure out whether there would be any offcourt/chemistry issues. I think that's a lot to put on the plate of a head coach or assistant coaches who need to primarily focus on coaching. In pro sports, you generally don't see the head coach/manager also playing the role of GM.
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Fair points.

Houston - I don't see that they have a GM.
Duke - Looks like they hired a female GM in 2022. She doesn't scout/recruit, just manages NIL.
Florida - Again, I don't see that they have a GM.
Auburn - Again, I don't see that they have a GM.

I'd bet most schools don't for basketball (yet). Unless my Google searching abilities are just trash.
 
BoulderSooner said:
can i say that I know this for 100% fact (no i was not there) but I have been told by those who know that he was not involved in this decision .. and in general has been a hinderance to pretty much all nil fundraising ..
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Yikes.. Joe c. runs off anyone that he is threatened by.. watch it Trae, lest you be like Turnipseed too
 
WTSooner said:
Fair points.

Houston - I don't see that they have a GM.
Duke - Looks like they hired a female GM in 2022. She doesn't scout/recruit, just manages NIL.
Florida - Again, I don't see that they have a GM.
Auburn - Again, I don't see that they have a GM.

I'd bet most schools don't for basketball (yet). Unless my Google searching abilities are just trash.
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Genuinely curious & trying to understand, what is the specific issue with a GM for you? The cost, the thought of separating player evals/roster decisions from the HC?

Just because other schools don’t have a person on their staff named “GM” doesn’t mean all those functions are done by a HC (or a grad analyst). For example, UF has a basketball specific director of analytics (not surprising with Golden) and an in-house NIL coordinator.

At the very least IMO OU needs more support staff regardless of title, I think someone who manages the NIL portion is most paramount although the pro-operating model with separate talent evaluation intrigues me given where revenue sport college athletics is today.
 
SoonerDutch said:
Genuinely curious & trying to understand, what is the specific issue with a GM for you? The cost, the thought of separating player evals/roster decisions from the HC?

Just because other schools don’t have a person on their staff named “GM” doesn’t mean all those functions are done by a HC (or a grad analyst). For example, UF has a basketball specific director of analytics (not surprising with Golden) and an in-house NIL coordinator.

At the very least IMO OU needs more support staff regardless of title, I think someone who manages the NIL portion is most paramount although the pro-operating model with separate talent evaluation intrigues me given where revenue sport college athletics is today.
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Talent evaluation is the coaches job. It'll be interesting to see how it works in football. It makes more sense there given the sheer number of players/positions, but at the end of the day, I want BV having the somewhat final say in what players end up on his roster/team. Can the GM uncover some hidden gems to present to BV? Sure, but I want BV to agree. Can the GM say hey, we're going to have too much NIL invested in our OL, we might need get rid of this JR that hasn't done anything yet, but still cashes a decent NIL check. Sure, I'm good with that, but again, I kind of want BV bought in.

That whole process just makes a lot less sense to me when you are talking about 10-15 players. How much is Moser making per year, over $3M? For a team that plays games for approximately 5 months out of the year? He can't use the other 7 months to evaluate players?

I get it, the game is trending that direction, but it's been a lot slower in basketball and I think there is good reason for that. I don't think it will change much of anything at all in basketball. I really don't. Just like I don't think anything Trae Young does will have a significant impact. They are empty moves.

Want to change the trajectory of the program? Want to bring the fans back and start winning games? Want OU basketball to be talked about in a positive manner again? Just go hire an effing good coach and get rid of Moser. We could have had McCasland a couple of years ago. Good change we'd have gotten one of the top couple of guys this offseason. But no, we're keeping Moser and looking to hire more support staff, when Moser can't even find good assistant coaches.

Whatever OU is going to pay a GM, just put that into NIL or into an NIL endowment. MUCH better use at this point.

As of Feb 19th of this year, it appears only three ACC teams had GM's. One is Duke, and as I mentioned above, all she does is manage NIL. It doesn't take a General Manager to shuffle NIL paperwork around. Literally a job a good Admin could do.

JMO. Nobody has to agree. Just getting tired of hearing OU is behind when very few programs relatively speaking have GM's for bball yet.
 
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