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[allday92]

Talent evaluation is the coaches job. It'll be interesting to see how it works in football. It makes more sense there given the sheer number of players/positions, but at the end of the day, I want BV having the somewhat final say in what players end up on his roster/team. Can the GM uncover some hidden gems to present to BV? Sure, but I want BV to agree. Can the GM say hey, we're going to have too much NIL invested in our OL, we might need get rid of this JR that hasn't done anything yet, but still cashes a decent NIL check. Sure, I'm good with that, but again, I kind of want BV bought in.

That whole process just makes a lot less sense to me when you are talking about 10-15 players. How much is Moser making per year, over $3M? For a team that plays games for approximately 5 months out of the year? He can't use the other 7 months to evaluate players?

I get it, the game is trending that direction, but it's been a lot slower in basketball and I think there is good reason for that. I don't think it will change much of anything at all in basketball. I really don't. Just like I don't think anything Trae Young does will have a significant impact. They are empty moves.

Want to change the trajectory of the program? Want to bring the fans back and start winning games? Want OU basketball to be talked about in a positive manner again? Just go hire an effing good coach and get rid of Moser. We could have had McCasland a couple of years ago. Good change we'd have gotten one of the top couple of guys this offseason. But no, we're keeping Moser and looking to hire more support staff, when Moser can't even find good assistant coaches.

Whatever OU is going to pay a GM, just put that into NIL or into an NIL endowment. MUCH better use at this point.

As of Feb 19th of this year, it appears only three ACC teams had GM's. One is Duke, and as I mentioned above, all she does is manage NIL. It doesn't take a General Manager to shuffle NIL paperwork around. Literally a job a good Admin could do.

JMO. Nobody has to agree. Just getting tired of hearing OU is behind when very few programs relatively speaking have GM's for bball yet.

Talent evaluation is the coach's job, yes. It should be a shared vision between head coach and GM on the type of players to recruit that fit the system. While there are less roster spots in basketball, there are more levels at which players need to be evaluated for college basketball -> All division 1 teams, D2, JUCO, high school, and at the international level. Player evaluation should be happening during the season, how can you know who to target if you start evaluation once the portal opens? There is nothing stopping anyone from tampering with players on a roster during the season. Scouting, evaluating, and recruiting talent is now a full time job.

A GM is needed with or without Moser. If we're not going to have the most NIL funds, then we need a GM to identify value signings and start the recruiting and relationship process before the portal even opens. We aren't showing up to day 1 of the portal opening with a brinks truck. These players have agents. Even if you do everything by the book and not tamper, there is nothing stopping our future GM talking to player agents throughout the season and building relationships.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Talent evaluation is the coach's job, yes. It should be a shared vision between head coach and GM on the type of players to recruit that fit the system. While there are less roster spots in basketball, there are more levels at which players need to be evaluated for college basketball -> All division 1 teams, D2, JUCO, high school, and at the international level. Player evaluation should be happening during the season, how can you know who to target if you start evaluation once the portal opens? There is nothing stopping anyone from tampering with players on a roster during the season. Scouting, evaluating, and recruiting talent is now a full time job.

A GM is needed with or without Moser. If we're not going to have the most NIL funds, then we need a GM to identify value signings and start the recruiting and relationship process before the portal even opens. We aren't showing up to day 1 of the portal opening with a brinks truck. These players have agents. Even if you do everything by the book and not tamper, there is nothing stopping our future GM talking to player agents throughout the season and building relationships.

Yea there are several thousand D-1 players, and we know that probably over 1,000 guys will end up in the portal. Add in the other levels you need to recruit, including in-season, and it's oversimplifying to say it should be easy to figure out how to fill 15 roster spots.

 

[WTSooner]

I’ll agree with above. Gm for bball isn’t a priority. 15 guys. 10 person staff. Figure it out

Smartest thing you've ever said.

 

[CoachTalk]

Smartest thing you've ever said.

TY is a figure head. He isn’t scouting the portal.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Talent evaluation is the coaches job. It'll be interesting to see how it works in football. It makes more sense there given the sheer number of players/positions, but at the end of the day, I want BV having the somewhat final say in what players end up on his roster/team. Can the GM uncover some hidden gems to present to BV? Sure, but I want BV to agree. Can the GM say hey, we're going to have too much NIL invested in our OL, we might need get rid of this JR that hasn't done anything yet, but still cashes a decent NIL check. Sure, I'm good with that, but again, I kind of want BV bought in.

That whole process just makes a lot less sense to me when you are talking about 10-15 players. How much is Moser making per year, over $3M? For a team that plays games for approximately 5 months out of the year? He can't use the other 7 months to evaluate players?

I get it, the game is trending that direction, but it's been a lot slower in basketball and I think there is good reason for that. I don't think it will change much of anything at all in basketball. I really don't. Just like I don't think anything Trae Young does will have a significant impact. They are empty moves.

Want to change the trajectory of the program? Want to bring the fans back and start winning games? Want OU basketball to be talked about in a positive manner again? Just go hire an effing good coach and get rid of Moser. We could have had McCasland a couple of years ago. Good change we'd have gotten one of the top couple of guys this offseason. But no, we're keeping Moser and looking to hire more support staff, when Moser can't even find good assistant coaches.

Whatever OU is going to pay a GM, just put that into NIL or into an NIL endowment. MUCH better use at this point.

As of Feb 19th of this year, it appears only three ACC teams had GM's. One is Duke, and as I mentioned above, all she does is manage NIL. It doesn't take a General Manager to shuffle NIL paperwork around. Literally a job a good Admin could do.

JMO. Nobody has to agree. Just getting tired of hearing OU is behind when very few programs relatively speaking have GM's for bball yet.

Sure, TBH I think OU is clearly behind but it’s the most impacted due to the NIL factor (program wide but especially in absolute terms in MBB). More support staff would be helpful in evals, it doesn’t have to be completely separated although I am open to that possibility.

But agree in simplest terms, any excess dollar that could go to NIL should go to NIL. Unrelated to this conversation but my primary rationale for keeping Moser is that donors would not have to pay the buyout and could theoretically be reverted to NIL. If another coach could generate more NIL (a possibility, just don’t think is likely) that would be my priority as well.

Ideally a coach could wear that hat too, but would prefer him or her to focus on coaching.

 

[WTSooner]

Sure, TBH I think OU is clearly behind but it’s the mostly impactful due to the NIL factor (program wide but especially in absolute terms in MBB). More support staff would be helpful.

But agree in simplest terms, any excess dollar that could go to NIL should go to NIL. My primary rationale for keeping Moser is that donors would not have to pay the buyout and could theoretically be reverted to NIL. If another coach could generate more NIL (a possibility, just don’t think is likely) that would be my priority as well.

Ideally a coach could wear that hat too, but would prefer him or her to focus on coaching.

The buyout stuff has been debunked already. Moser wouldn't go jobless, and he probably wouldn't go anywhere where he'd make much less than he makes at OU. Which means OU wouldn't be on the hook for very much of it, and that assumes we fired him to begin with, and didn't just let him go find another job.

I agree with the premise of watching our dollars in other areas to help with NIL, I just don't think Moser's salary is really a factor there.

 

[SoonerDutch]

The buyout stuff has been debunked already. Moser wouldn't go jobless, and he probably wouldn't go anywhere where he'd make much less than he makes at OU. Which means OU wouldn't be on the hook for very much of it, and that assumes we fired him to begin with, and didn't just let him go find another job.

I agree with the premise of watching our dollars in other areas to help with NIL, I just don't think Moser's salary is really a factor there.

Yeah if they could waive and minimize the $ value, absolutely but that doesn’t seem to be happening. But yes, if it is minimized sure.

 

[TEvans4Three]

A GM is necessary and vital for the future success of the program. (any program that wants to be top tier)

Let a coach coach and keep recruiting/developing his current roster.

Gone are the days of visiting kids in HS gyms, watching them play, talking to coaches and getting practice efforts...etc. It is all tape, evaluation, value, and NIL. There is no offseason anymore, this is nonstop, full-time, all the time recruiting. This is not HS to college anymore, this is semi-pro ball.

GM should exist for "moneyball" analytics types of decisions. Player evaluation to market value and value-add to a roster.

No head coach can do all evals, talk to every agent, watch all the tape, recruit his current roster, go on visits, and field a proper team at full effort. Just won't happen, not at the highest level.

How many head coaches in the Elite 8 have looked at any of the portal players do you think? You need someone else to do that part of the job for you.

Get a GM or you are missing out and already 1-2 years behind.

 

[WTSooner]

A GM is necessary and vital for the future success of the program. (any program that wants to be top tier)

Let a coach coach and keep recruiting/developing his current roster.

Gone are the days of visiting kids in HS gyms, watching them play, talking to coaches and getting practice efforts...etc. It is all tape, evaluation, value, and NIL. There is no offseason anymore, this is nonstop, full-time, all the time recruiting. This is not HS to college anymore, this is semi-pro ball.

GM should exist for "moneyball" analytics types of decisions. Player evaluation to market value and value-add to a roster.

No head coach can do all evals, talk to every agent, watch all the tape, recruit his current roster, go on visits, and field a proper team at full effort. Just won't happen, not at the highest level.

How many head coaches in the Elite 8 have looked at any of the portal players do you think? You need someone else to do that part of the job for you.

Get a GM or you are missing out and already 1-2 years behind.

Quite literally, hardly any college basketball teams have GM's at this point.

Good grief.

I'm not talking about the future. It's coming. Whether it's needed is opinion, but it's coming.

But right now? GM's are barely making their way into football. Basketball isn't there yet. Three teams in the FF don't have GM's. The fourth has a woman that shuffles NIL paperwork. You think Kelvin is going to let somebody do evaluations for him? lol, no chance. You think Tom Izzo is going to?

Coaches can't coach year round. So what are they doing to earn those huge salaries during the MONTHS where they don't have games or practices?

Why does Georgia football not think a GM is necessary?

Porter Moser won't let his assistant coaches talk in practice or during games, but he's going to let somebody he had no say in hiring do all of the leg work in building his roster? GTFOOH.

It's one thing to say GM's are coming to the game and will serve a purpose. It's another to overblow their expected value and more so, suggest that it's already some huge thing in college basketball and you are behind if you don't have one, when that can EASILY be shown to not be the case. I can name 4-5 schools that don't have GM's for every one school that does. That's not "1-2 years behind."

 

[mict085]

Quite literally, hardly any college basketball teams have GM's at this point.

Good grief.

I'm not talking about the future. It's coming. Whether it's needed is opinion, but it's coming.

But right now? GM's are barely making their way into football. Basketball isn't there yet. Three teams in the FF don't have GM's. The fourth has a woman that shuffles NIL paperwork. You think Kelvin is going to let somebody do evaluations for him? lol, no chance. You think Tom Izzo is going to?

Coaches can't coach year round. So what are they doing to earn those huge salaries during the MONTHS where they don't have games or practices?

Why does Georgia football not think a GM is necessary?

Porter Moser won't let his assistant coaches talk in practice or during games, but he's going to let somebody he had no say in hiring do all of the leg work in building his roster? GTFOOH.

It's one thing to say GM's are coming to the game and will serve a purpose. It's another to overblow their expected value and more so, suggest that it's already some huge thing in college basketball and you are behind if you don't have one, when that can EASILY be shown to not be the case. I can name 4-5 schools that don't have GM's for every one school that does. That's not "1-2 years behind."

While most other teams are just now hiring official GMs, most elite programs have teams of people doing what a GM normally does. OU does not. I’d bet most SEC bball programs have a whole host of people that scout and recruit and talk to agents. OU is behind the game and has always been behind the game. We need more resources for bball. A GM would help coordinate all the resources to best utilize them and allow the coaches to focus on coaching.

Your comment about Georgia football just proves your unaware of how things work. Georgia has a whole staff dedicated to recruiting, NIL, making sure they get the players they need. They’ve been doing that for 20 years, way before it was legal, as have most SEC schools. You can bury your head in the sand and wait for it to be “official” but that doesn’t change the reality on the ground.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'm not talking about the future. It's coming. Whether it's needed is opinion, but it's coming.

But right now? GM's are barely making their way into football. Basketball isn't there yet. Three teams in the FF don't have GM's. The fourth has a woman that shuffles NIL paperwork. You think Kelvin is going to let somebody do evaluations for him? lol, no chance. You think Tom Izzo is going to?

Coaches can't coach year round. So what are they doing to earn those huge salaries during the MONTHS where they don't have games or practices?

They coach year round. 8 hours a week or 6 or something... they break it up so they can be on the road during Live periods... etc...

Porter Moser won't let his assistant coaches talk in practice or during games, but he's going to let somebody he had no say in hiring do all of the leg work in building his roster? GTFOOH.

This is false. Brock Morris does more coaching than Porter most days.

Agree. Like I said yesterday. GM in Basketball is overrated... Id rather save the 200k and give it to a better player.

 

[SoonerDutch]

So the argument is coaches are already too well paid & have time in the offseason to make evals and we should use $$ on NIL? Yeah, agree to strongly disagree about the first point.

Would love excess $$s to go to NIL but have to build out resourced staff regardless of title. TBH, if $200-500k led to a more coherent roster management seems like a more cost effective use of funds.

Pretty clear from skimming the AD directories all the FF programs have expanded support staffs assisting in evals and roster decisions. The titled GMs is becoming more common as well. Personally seems like a lot of the “good grief” pushback is tied to semantics.

 

[WTSooner]

So the argument is coaches are already too well paid & have time in the offseason to make evals and we should use $$ on NIL? Yeah, agree to strongly disagree about the first point.

Would love excess $$s to go to NIL but have to build out resourced staff regardless of title. TBH, if $200-500k led to a more coherent roster management seems like a more cost effective use of funds.

Pretty clear from skimming the AD directories all the FF programs have expanded support staffs assisting in evals and roster decisions. The titled GMs is becoming more common as well. Personally seems like a lot of the “good grief” pushback is tied to semantics.

Tennessee has one more support staff listed on their site than OU does. And that is a student assistant coach.

Duke doesn't list support staff.

Auburn has about double what we have, but I think it's because they are just including positions that OU has, but doesn't list. None of them are specific to recruiting, evaluation, or NIL.

Kansas lists half as many support staff as OU. I'll assume they have some more that aren't listed, but if they had a bunch of recruiters, evaluators, and NIL'ers, I think they would be listed.

Louisville lists 12 to our 8, but two of those are just two more graduate assistants. Again, nothing specific to recruiting, evaluating, or NIL'ing.

Pretty much every team I look at has somebody for analytics, including OU. So that isn't something special that certain schools have.

 

[WichitaSooner]

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article303258791.html#campaignName=wichita_afternoon_newsletter

Article just posted minutes ago about how/why a GM makes the life of the head coach so much easier. Behind a paywall, and I'm not sure if you get a certain number of free views on their website.

 

[Skeeter1]

He had a high usage rate as a player, that doesn't necessarily translate to ball hog. It's hard to be a ball hog and lead the entire country in assists. It's hard to be a ball hog and have a 22 assist game in 40 minutes.

Great post. Boomer

 

[Maverick008]

This is false. Brock Morris does more coaching than Porter most days.

What's funny about this perception is when Majerus was at St. Louis and I went to a practice, Moser ran most of that practice and most know that if you didn't do things the way Majerus wanted it, you weren't on the team/staff. Sounds like Moser runs a very similar style, but lets his assistants coach more than others think he does.

 

[WTSooner]

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article303258791.html#campaignName=wichita_afternoon_newsletter

Article just posted minutes ago about how/why a GM makes the life of the head coach so much easier. Behind a paywall, and I'm not sure if you get a certain number of free views on their website.

Every job on this planet becomes easier if you hire someone to do 50% of what the original person was doing.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Every job on this planet becomes easier if you hire someone to do 50% of what the original person was doing.

And why wouldn’t you want that? Do you want the CEO of a major corporation having to deal with every mundane expense account or would you rather allow him or her to focus all their energy on other things? Moser is a basketball coach, and an old school one at that. He hasn’t adapted to NIL and has yet to come up with a consistent roster building approach. Every season feels like a random approach that is in large part an overreaction to the previous year’s failure. A younger GM who understands the market and can spend 100 percent of his time evaluating thousands of players and allow CW to focus on trying to get the ball inbounds and get the ball out of Oweh’s hands is a very good idea IMO.

 

[BanjoCharley]

Not if the 50% that person is hired for is the 50% that you love and that keeps you engaged, leaving you with the tedium and drudgery that burns you up insid.

 

[Moneyball]

Not if the 50% that person is hired for is the 50% that you love and that keeps you engaged, leaving you with the tedium and drudgery that burns you up insid.

Most coaches would prefer to focus on coaching rather than negotiating NIL contracts with agents.