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[tycat947]

There was a lot of criticism of weight issues when Courtney was here, and we were winning big at the time.

There was a lot of criticism during the last two Final Four runs. Too bad so many threads were lost a few years ago...

 

[scrybe]

Frankly, I don’t remember a thimble full of criticism for Sherri when she was getting good recruits and producing conference, Big 12 tournament and high national finishes.

The criticism developed over time because Sherri was only signing good or decent players for nearly a decade that were, along with the coaching staff, not getting the job done up to The OU standards Sherri created.

No matter the sport, OU fans want their teams to be highly competitive up to OU standards, not the standards of any other teams.

Sherri set the bar doing a great job. What has happened overs the last 7-10 years, however, is mediocre at best — but certainly not up to the standards Sherri set and led us to care about.

Now, miraculously, things are dramatically on the upswing.

That CAN happen overnight, certainly. However, I believe such a potential resurgence normally only occurs after someone gets a good talking to and/or a swift kick in the pants.



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Come on, Ollie! The upswing in recruiting is miraculous? The hyperbole in some of your posts can go completely over the top.

Of course that's no more ridiculous than opining that someone gave Sherri a swift kick in the pants – or even "a good talking to." You make her sound like a spoiled 13-year-old who got caught smoking.

 

[SoonerSpock]

As is generally the practice of every supervisor I am certain Joe C. has at least an annual performance review discussing the strengths and weaknesses in Sherri's performance for her review period. Not that one would call it a "talking too" but for certain he identifies the areas he would most like to see improvement.

If that meeting is not occurings then Joe C. is not doing his job. Which would/should probably be addressed with Joe C. by Boren in the past and Gallogly going forward.

What we rightly don't know is what is discussed in those private performance discussions. It can only be speculated here and everybody here has an equal probability of being right or wrong in their speculation and may never know which it is.

 

[tycat947]

Come on, Ollie! The upswing in recruiting is miraculous? The hyperbole in some of your posts can go completely over the top.

Of course that's no more ridiculous than opining that someone gave Sherri a swift kick in the pants – or even "a good talking to." You make her sound like a spoiled 13-year-old who got caught smoking.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Look,

I'm not saying she HAD a tough performance evaluation or a come-to-Jesus or anything. But that shouldn't be written off as out of the realm of possibility.

No program is willing to pay a million bucks for a 50 percent winning season for very long -- it doesn't matter whether you're Bob Stoops, Geno, Muffett or God.

However, for nearly the last decade we can't sign any of the "best" players by everyone's standards until Dungee and Mulkey and then BOOM we get this two years of some really fine players that have the promise of Whitney Hand or better than anything we brought in since the twins and Abi.

It stands to reason and common sense that something changed and there was a catalyst for it. That's the way life works.

It could have been Sherri herself, it could be refining recruiting targets or the pitch to potential players, or deciding she needs to alter the type of player she's been spotlighting. It could have been simply fate.

I don't know what it is. But I know for a FACT that such dramatical turn arounds don't just happen out of the blue and on their own.

What I think is most likely is Sherri was in a rut and she got out of it. Did she do it on her own because she was unhappy with the downward spiral we are in? I think that's what it was. I also think she got a second wind, so to speak.

Did it happen because of that and a "pick it up" discussion with Joe C. -- possibly.

Was Sherri feeling heat? No way, unless she put it on herself.

All I know is that recruiting has picked up and the future has greater potential to bring us back to the top 5 or 10 in the country than at any time in the last 5-10 years.

I'm more excited than I've been about OUWBB than I've been since Sherri was hired and took us to our first National Championship game.

And if any of you think nothing has changed -- well, as Ron Black says, "You can't fix stupid!"

 

[SuperHoops]

as Ron Black says, "You can't fix stupid!"

The irony is strong.

 

[scrybe]

The irony is strong.

:ez-roll: :ez-roll: :ez-roll:

 

[Oliver Hardy]

That doesn't equate to criticism of Sherri.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

The irony is strong.

Ah, another of the Bowery Boys speaks. Their collective wisdom is less than a thimble full.

 

[SuperHoops]

Ah, another of the Bowery Boys speaks. Their collective wisdom is less than a thimble full.

Keep digging that hole, Einstein.

You need to:

1) Google Ron Black

2) Google "you can't fix stupid"

3) Report back here with your findings

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Why bother?

You and your daddy Syb, and Uncle Cat, have the only right answers around here, no matter what the answers really are.

That's why you end up talking to yourselves most of the time anymore.

I'm about the only one, besides your little clique, who even bothers to come here.

If I wasn't posting, this would be nothing more than one big circle jerk of people who think they are the only ones who know anything.

 

[SuperHoops]

Why bother?

You and your daddy Syb, and Uncle Cat, have the only right answers around here, no matter what the answers really are.

That's why you end up talking to yourselves most of the time anymore.

I'm about the only one, besides your little clique, who even bothers to come here.

If I wasn't posting, this would be nothing more than one big circle jerk of people who think they are the only ones who know anything.

You were right that you can't fix stupid, so I will break it down for you. Ron Black did not say "you can't fix stupid". That's where the ironic part comes in. You refer to other people as stupid but can't even get the guy's name right when quoting him.

And in my almost 10 years on this board I don't recall making one single post where I agreed with either Syb or +1Cat.

 

[sybarite]

And in my almost 10 years on this board I don't recall making one single post where I agreed with either Syb or +1Cat.

Never?

Fact: I pay so little attention to the byplay that I would probably not have noticed.

 

[SuperHoops]

Never?

Fact: I pay so little attention to the byplay that I would probably not have noticed.

I'm here for actual information more than anything. I really don't care about people's opinions on coaches, players, who we need to recruit, how the RPI works so I rarely if ever make posts about those types of things.

 

[SoonerSpock]

You were right that you can't fix stupid, so I will break it down for you. Ron Black did not say "you can't fix stupid". That's where the ironic part comes in. You refer to other people as stupid but can't even get the guy's name right when quoting him.

And in my almost 10 years on this board I don't recall making one single post where I agreed with either Syb or +1Cat.

Wow!!! Even I agree with the Syb on occasion.

 

[betterstill]

I know the new President if interested in the financial situation at OU.

Looking at it from the President's perspective, what would be the best approach to take regarding the WBB team from a purely financial standpoint?

One approach would be to run a low budget, low expectations program to minimize the amount of subsidy to keep it going for Title IX purposes. This would involve changing staff to minimize salaries and reducing promotional and other costs.

The other approach might be to make a commitment to having a program that will be competitive in the Big 12 championship race. To do this one would need to let the current staff know that the present level of the program is unacceptable and that to maintain their jobs certain objective criteria must me met. A time line should be set on meeting the criteria, possibly in stages. If the staff cannot achieve goals set by the administration, then the the President and AD must be prepared to make staff changes and pay well for first rate replacements.

The most undesirable plan would be to allow the program to flounder in mediocrity with the financial support from the fans declining while at the same time paying staff and making other expenditures that would befit a 1st class program.

 

[soonerstar]

I know the new President if interested in the financial situation at OU.

Looking at it from the President's perspective, what would be the best approach to take regarding the WBB team from a purely financial standpoint?

One approach would be to run a low budget, low expectations program to minimize the amount of subsidy to keep it going for Title IX purposes. This would involve changing staff to minimize salaries and reducing promotional and other costs.

The other approach might be to make a commitment to having a program that will be competitive in the Big 12 championship race. To do this one would need to let the current staff know that the present level of the program is unacceptable and that to maintain their jobs certain objective criteria must me met. A time line should be set on meeting the criteria, possibly in stages. If the staff cannot achieve goals set by the administration, then the the President and AD must be prepared to make staff changes and pay well for first rate replacements.

The most undesirable plan would be to allow the program to flounder in mediocrity with the financial support from the fans declining while at the same time paying staff and making other expenditures that would befit a 1st class program.

Excellent post!

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

The last two posters need to stop and think about how the Athletic Department operates in terms of finances - and how it relates to the financial position of the University.

 

[betterstill]

The last two posters need to stop and think about how the Athletic Department operates in terms of finances - and how it relates to the financial position of the University.

I am prepared to think about that, Sweetest OU Girl. Could you describe for me how the Athletic Department operates in terms of finances and how that would make my comments not on point?

How the Department operates and how it is presented to the public as operating are two different things. The thought I presented are hypothetical approaches. Implementation is an entirely different thing. The AD could never get the impression to the public that they are de-emphasizing a sport.

 

[scrybe]

I am prepared to think about that, Sweetest OU Girl. Could you describe for me how the Athletic Department operates in terms of finances and how that would make my comments not on point?

How the Department operates and how it is presented to the public as operating are two different things. The thought I presented are hypothetical approaches. Implementation is an entirely different thing. The AD could never get the impression to the public that they are de-emphasizing a sport.

So, since you seem to know what approaches were available to the new president, did he decide to: (a) Let the program flounder or (b) give Patti a good talking to?