Who said TCU and West Virginia were upgrades?

[SoonerBounce13]

it does not surprise me that you two would love Noodles

 

[campbest]

It's awesome camp. There were 140k people there this year. Look for the automotive industry to start significant innovation in both clean fuel efficiency and the "connected car". The Audi booth was my favorite and a Mercedes exec gave a keynote.

And next time your in Vegas be sure to grab a bite at Noodles in the Bellagio.

Hoping to watch the keynote speakers playback online this weekend when I have some time. Will have to hit up Noodles next time I'm out there, can only do Vegas once a year.

 

[oSuJeff97]

This thread is interesting.

Goes from Big 12 football 2012 to OSU football 2012 to OSU/OU basketball to CES.

 

[thebigabd]

It's awesome camp. There were 140k people there this year. Look for the automotive industry to start significant innovation in both clean fuel efficiency and the "connected car". The Audi booth was my favorite and a Mercedes exec gave a keynote.

And next time your in Vegas be sure to grab a bite at Noodles in the Bellagio.

Been able to get on the links at all this winter, Boca?

 

[PeteHoops]

I was in Vegas this last weekend too, but didn't go to CES. I did get a chance to golf and the weather was perfect. I forgot how dead the winter was there. If you're looking for an excellent place to eat Mastro's in crystals at city center is legit. Stay away from the meat markets (Rhino) right now it's overwhelming because it's about 3:1 girl to guy and they're verrrry pushy.

As for TCU and WVU, I'm excited for road games to Ft. Worth but not looking forward to making the trip to Morgantown. The competition initially is going to be tougher, but OU will still be OU in the long run. Actually, I'm not sure if that's a positive or not?

 

[SoonerSpock]

Disagree, I thought their defense was underrated. Lead the nation in turnovers, shut down RGIII and OU's offense, etc. They gave up a lot of those points/yards with their 2nd string in because many of their games were over way before the end of regulation.

The puke defense also led the B12 conference scoring defense for all conference games. OU finished 4th in conference scoring defense. The top 4 were OSU, Texas, Mizzou and OU.

 

[stoops4pres]

They gave up points and yards to Texas, Texas A&M, KSU, ISU and others when the games weren't over. OSU's defense did a really good job against OU. I did not see the Baylor game.

Three losses in the Big XII is going to be a pretty good football team. OSU has to play OU, Texas, KSU, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Tech, KU and ISU. How many easy wins are on that schedule? I would say somewhere between 1 and 3 (KU, ISU and Tech) but ISU upset OSU last year and Tech upsetOklahoma so teams better be ready to play those games.

I think OSU will have trouble on the road against the better teams. Everyone has to watch out for the upset.

That's a good point. I wasn't talking about those games, I was talking about others like Tech, Baylor, etc. No one is saying they were the '85 Bears, I just disagreed when you said they weren't "good". Shutting down OU, Baylor, leading the nation in turnovers, and as Sooner Spock said them being one of the better defenses in the conference I believe suggests otherwise.

 

[skyvue]

That's a good point. I wasn't talking about those games, I was talking about others like Tech, Baylor, etc. No one is saying they were the '85 Bears, I just disagreed when you said they weren't "good". Shutting down OU, Baylor, leading the nation in turnovers, and as Sooner Spock said them being one of the better defenses in the conference I believe suggests otherwise.

No offense, Stoops4, but I've seen this phenomenon a lot from OU fans: They look past or ignore faults in other teams that they can't forgive in their Sooners.

If someone were to say that OU had a good defense this season, certain fans would rush to point to the three games we lost as evidence that, in fact, our defense was anything but good.

But some of those same fans (not saying this necessarily applies to you) would give oswho a pass, even though their defense got smoked against A&M, KSU, and, obviously, ISU. Yes, they managed to squeeze out a win against two of those teams, but a turnover or three aside against A&M, it wasn't because of their defense (and the turnovers against A&M were mostly due to offensive errors).

In fact, it could easily have happened that oswho suffered three losses on the season and OU just one, instead of the other way around. Mind you, I'm not playing the aggies' favorite game of "What if?" The season was what it was. But oswho didn't beat A&M and KSU with their defense. They easily could have lost both of those games, and if they had, it would have been their defense that was to blame, just as it was OU's defense that rightfully got blamed for our losses to Tech and Baylor.

 

[HoHum]

Aren't basically all turnovers, "offensive errors"?

 

[skyvue]

Aren't basically all turnovers, "offensive errors"?

No, sometimes they're strong defensive plays.

Sometimes they're a little bit of both.

 

[stoops4pres]

No offense, Stoops4, but I've seen this phenomenon a lot from OU fans: They look past or ignore faults in other teams that they can't forgive in their Sooners.

If someone were to say that OU had a good defense this season, certain fans would rush to point to the three games we lost as evidence that, in fact, our defense was anything but good.

But some of those same fans (not saying this necessarily applies to you) would give oswho a pass, even though their defense got smoked against A&M, KSU, and, obviously, ISU. Yes, they managed to squeeze out a win against two of those teams, but a turnover or three aside against A&M, it wasn't because of their defense (and the turnovers against A&M were mostly due to offensive errors).

In fact, it could easily have happened that oswho suffered three losses on the season and OU just one, instead of the other way around. Mind you, I'm not playing the aggies' favorite game of "What if?" The season was what it was. But oswho didn't beat A&M and KSU with their defense. They easily could have lost both of those games, and if they had, it would have been their defense that was to blame, just as it was OU's defense that rightfully got blamed for our losses to Tech and Baylor.

No offense taken. I see where you're coming from, I just think my point may have been missed, so I'll try to clarify better: Not saying OSU had a vaunted defense this season (because they certainly didn't). I just disagreed with the opinion that they didn't have a "good" defense... They shut down the Heisman Trophy Winner after all. And like I've said before they shut down OU's offense, lead the nation in turnovers forced, among the conference leaders in points allowed, etc. I think those aforementioned facts proved OSU's defense was better than given credit for. That's all.

 

[tycat947]

No offense taken. I see where you're coming from, I just think my point may have been missed, so I'll try to clarify better: Not saying OSU had a vaunted defense this season (because they certainly didn't). I just disagreed with the opinion that they didn't have a "good" defense... They shut down the Heisman Trophy Winner after all. And like I've said before they shut down OU's offense, lead the nation in turnovers forced, among the conference leaders in points allowed, etc. I think those aforementioned facts proved OSU's defense was better than given credit for. That's all.

OSU may have beaten Baylor but they sure didn't shut down RGIII. Baylor had 622 total yards (OSU had 601) and Baylor had 446 yards passing versus 274 of OSU. That's not shutting someone down.

 

[stoops4pres]

OSU may have beaten Baylor but they sure didn't shut down RGIII. Baylor had 622 total yards (OSU had 601) and Baylor had 446 yards passing versus 274 of OSU.

I could be wrong but if I remember correctly, Baylor's yards were misleading since a good portion of those came when the game was out of hand and the Pokes had subbed in their back-ups (OSU was up by nearly 50 points going into the 4th quarter).

That's not shutting someone down.

Fair enough. Since they held the Heisman Winner to just 3 points going into the 4th quarter, I'll say OSU's defense shut down Baylor's offense in the redzone.

 

[skyvue]

Since they held the Heisman Winner to just 3 points going into the 4th quarter, I'll say OSU's defense shut down Baylor's offense in the redzone.

Baylor had scored just three points against KU entering the fourth quarter, too. Could be it's more reflective of a midseason lull in the effectiveness of the Baylor offense than an indication of top-notch defenses.

 

[stoops4pres]

Baylor had scored just three points against KU entering the fourth quarter, too. Could be it's more reflective of a midseason lull in the effectiveness of the Baylor offense than an indication of top-notch defenses.

I never said OSU was a top-notch defense. Just included their impressive performance against RGIII as more evidence that they were a "good" defense.

That's a valid counterpoint you bring with KU's example. Nevertheless, I think crimson-colored glasses are being worn by those that did not think OSU had a good defense... They were a Blake Bell run away from being the only 2nd team ever in the Stoops Era to hold OU without a touchdown after all.

If an OSU fan said OU didn't have a good defense--despite the fact that OU was one of the conference leaders in points allowed--that fan would get laughed off this board. And with good reason.

 

[tycat947]

I could be wrong but if I remember correctly, Baylor's yards were misleading since a good portion of those came when the game was out of hand and the Pokes had subbed in their back-ups (OSU was up by nearly 50 points going into the 4th quarter).

There were 5 turnovers in the game and two 4th and 1 stops on the osu goal line. Baylor was inside the osu 35 first five times they had the ball so I don't see how osu shut down Griffin until the game was over in the 4th. It was one game and osu couldn't beat them like that again if they tried. Baylor was playing their best ball at the end of the year just like we were playing our worst.

 

[stoops4pres]

There were 5 turnovers in the game and two 4th and 1 stops on the osu goal line.

They lead the nation in turnovers forced and were one of the best redzone defenses in the country. The aforementioned stats they generated vs. Baylor aren't too surprising.

Baylor was inside the osu 35 first five times they had the ball so I don't see how osu shut down Griffin until the game was over in the 4th.

As I previously told you, you're right that OSU didn't shut Baylor down between the 20's. Instead, they shut their prolific offense down in the redzone and only allowed 3 points throughout the majority of the game (which is what matters most in this discussion regarding their performance vs. Baylor).

It was one game and osu couldn't beat them like that again if they tried. Baylor was playing their best ball at the end of the year just like we were playing our worst.

Okay, but what does that have to do with disagreeing with the opinion that OSU didn't have a good defense? My entire point was that OSU showed that their defense was actually a solid, good one. I hate to admit it, but objectively speaking it's hard to debate otherwise when gauging their statistics.

This discussion has gone so far off-course so I'll let it die before it derails even more. OSU's defense sucked this season, their team sucked this season, and OU was immensely better in every aspect of the game. Are we all happy now? :chestram2: