Worst choke job I've ever seen at ou

[MsProudSooner]

Quiet when we win. Once we lose, the same old chatterboxes with the same old agendas.......

Unfortunately, finding someone to blame after a loss gives some people more pleasure than celebrating a victory. I'd love for a psychologist to explain that in depth.

The older players on this team aren't that far removed from losing seasons and losing games being the rule rather than the exception. During the losing seasons they took one step forward and two steps back. This year, they have taken two steps forward and one step back. This was one of those back steps. These guys will learn from this and be better for it in the long run.

Good coaches and good players know that they have to learn their lessons from losses and move on to the next game. Some of our fans need to do the same thing.

 

[sooner 1234]

I am not calling out Osby, Pledger, Hornbeak, Coach Kruger, M'Baye, or anyone else. You are calling out Grooms.

Basketball is a team sport.

With respects to the turn overs, Grooms had four. Look at the play by play. In the last 8 minutes of the game, OU had 5 turn overs in total. 3 were by Sam Grooms. They occured at the 6:45, 6:19 and 4:07 marks in the game. Grooms did not have single turn over in the final four minutes of the game and OU gave up a 9 point lead. How is that all on Sam Grooms?

What Sam Grooms did do is have one 30 second stretch of bad basketball with two glaring turn overs. He did not individually lose the game.

You may verify this here: http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/feb27.html

Would you not say pledger and osby had great games? Would you say grooms did? There's your answer. Guys who close to 30 point games aren't the problem, guys that have more turnovers then points and don't defend are.
Your right basketball is a team sport and team members don't do their job, the. TEAMS lose.
You can spin it all you want but playing grooms most of the second half hurt the team and was glaring factor in the game.

Look at the box score all the starters played basketball except one, its really pretty simple unless your a homer, who think ou players / coaches are above negative remarks.

 

[garyeb2]

Unfortunately, finding someone to blame after a loss gives some people more pleasure than celebrating a victory. I'd love for a psychologist to explain that in depth.

The older players on this team aren't that far removed from losing seasons and losing games being the rule rather than the exception. During the losing seasons they took one step forward and two steps back. This year, they have taken two steps forward and one step back. This was one of those back steps. These guys will learn from this and be better for it in the long run.

Good coaches and good players know that they have to learn their lessons from losses and move on to the next game. Some of our fans need to do the same thing.

You state your opinions much more eloquently than I do. I agree, the team has suffered through alot of humiliations over the last few years. This season those moments are fewer and farther between. That is good news. Re-establishing a program is a process, not an event. Set backs along the way are not ucommon.

 

[skyvue]

Look at the box score all the starters played basketball except one, its really pretty simple unless your a homer, who think ou players / coaches are above negative remarks.

Ah, the old "You're all wearing crimson glasses; I'm the only one willing to tell it like it is" trope -- it never gets old!

One could argue you're the homer, since you're putting the majority of the blame on one player and letting the others off the hook. You're basically saying, "Our team played fine and would have won if it weren't for that ding-dang Sam Grooms!"

So who's the homer again?

 

[campbest]

Your pg is most important player in breaking a press. Every back court turnover we had last night cost us a chance at scoring, gave Texas numbers/ fast break on their end, and most important 25 seconds less off the clock.

The player in-bounding the ball is the most important/dangerous on the floor.

 

[WTSooner]

The player in-bounding the ball is the most important/dangerous on the floor.

Yep.

 

[MsProudSooner]

The player in-bounding the ball is the most important/dangerous on the floor.

It's not nearly as easy as it might look from the stands.

 

[DenverSooner]

Would you not say pledger and osby had great games? Would you say grooms did? There's your answer. Guys who close to 30 point games aren't the problem, guys that have more turnovers then points and don't defend are.
Your right basketball is a team sport and team members don't do their job, the. TEAMS lose.
You can spin it all you want but playing grooms most of the second half hurt the team and was glaring factor in the game.

Look at the box score all the starters played basketball except one, its really pretty simple unless your a homer, who think ou players / coaches are above negative remarks.

I would say Osby had a great game and Pledger had a great half but solid game. But you don't seem to understand there is nothing wrong with Sam Grooms or Cousins not scoring a bunch of points. That is not their primary role on the team. When they do score it is a bonus.

Four turn overs isn't a horrible game and certainly isn't so many turn overs by a pg that you can blame a loss solely on the pg. Grooms definitely got rattled for about 3.5 minutes and definitely had the worst 30 seconds I have seen him have but you are blaming one guy for the entire game and that simply isn't fair.

You also claim it was Cousins good play in the first half that led to the OU lead. That is false. At the 9:35 mark of the first half, Grooms subed in for Cousins. The score was OU 17 UT 16. Grooms immediately had an assist to Pledger for a 3. That sparked the run where OU extended its lead. At the 7:29 mark Cousins subed back in for Grooms. The score was 16-28. OU had gone on a 11-0 run with Grooms in the game. Grooms didn't do it all by himself. In fact, he didn't do all that much. It was a team executing really well that did it.

Cousins did some nice things in the first half. He really hadn't been playing all that much lately. He seemed to have lost some confidence. Grooms got in foul trouble and he played well keeping OU ahead essentially the entire first half. It was good solid basketball from a freshman that easily could have melted on the road. I was happy for him. I think Cousins is gong to do a lot of nice things for OU in the future.

 

[campbest]

Four turn overs isn't a horrible game and certainly isn't so many turn overs by a pg that you can blame a loss solely on the pg. Grooms definitely got rattled for about 3.5 minutes and definitely had the worst 30 seconds I have seen him have but you are blaming one guy for the entire game and that simply isn't fair.

Four TOs does not constitute a horrible game, but for OUs style of play it is not a flattering statistic at all.

 

[DenverSooner]

Four TOs does not constitute a horrible game, but for OUs style of play it is not a flattering statistic at all.

I know it. I can't believe Pledger had four turn overs.

 

[Max Power]

It's not nearly as easy as it might look from the stands.

No its not

 

[campbest]

It's not nearly as easy as it might look from the stands.

Even more than just in-bounding the ball, from a progression stand point to advance the ball up the floor.

 

[sooner 1234]

The player in-bounding the ball is the most important/dangerous on the floor.

How many turnovers did we have from the inbounds??? Our turnovers where from the first trap when they doubled on the first pass. Thats where the mistakes where made.
Sometimes they didnt even have to double because Grooms drippled staight into the line/corner. He kept trapping himself.

 

[DenverSooner]

That isn't what happened. Grooms was given the ball in a bad palce. It was not just Sam Grooms. Regardless what about no turnovers in the final 4 minutes with a 9 ponit lead?

Can't you see that OU failed to execute on offense, missed free throws, fouled a three point shooter with seconds left and Texas hit a low percentage shot to take it to over time?

It was a team effort to build the big lead and to lose the big lead.

 

[campbest]

How many turnovers did we have from the inbounds??? Our turnovers where from the first trap when they doubled on the first pass. Thats where the mistakes where made.
Sometimes they didnt even have to double because Grooms drippled staight into the line/corner. He kept trapping himself.

Not surprising, but my comment went completely over your head.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Even more than just in-bounding the ball, from a progression stand point to advance the ball up the floor.

This is what I've noticed in games the press has caused us problems. Grooms (or Cousins) gets the inbounds pass and it's them vs 1 or 2, sometimes 3, defenders to get the ball in the frontcourt. Part of that appears, from my vantage point, to be on Grooms because he immediately heads toward the boundary, away from his help. This is usually when he turns it over.

I have noticed instances where the his help isn't helping, too, though.

Tubbs used to put one of his bigs at midcourt, or close to midcourt. Someone who could jump to catch a pass and dribble a few times if needed. Usually the opponents big was closer to the basket to get a rebound or to defend against a layup, thus our player was unguarded. I specifically remember Wayman being in that position.

 

[campbest]

This is what I've noticed in games the press has caused us problems. Grooms (or Cousins) gets the inbounds pass and it's them vs 1 or 2, sometimes 3, defenders to get the ball in the frontcourt. Part of that appears, from my vantage point, to be on Grooms because he immediately heads toward the boundary, away from his help. This is usually when he turns it over.

I have noticed instances where the his help isn't helping, too, though.

Tubbs used to put one of his bigs at midcourt, or close to midcourt. Someone who could jump to catch a pass and dribble a few times if needed. Usually the opponents big was closer to the basket to get a rebound or to defend against a layup, thus our player was unguarded. I specifically remember Wayman being in that position.

Against a press, unless you have some one man press-breaker (we obviously don't) the inbounder is effectively your "point guard" when attacking the press.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Against a press, unless you have some one man press-breaker (we obviously don't) the inbounder is effectively your "point guard" when attacking the press.

Correct, however, Grooms has a way of getting himself into binds by heading to areas of the floor more conducive to double teams. This isn't what beat us 2 nights ago, but hes done it more than once.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

and Texas hit a low percentage shot to take it to over time

I was wondering when someone in the thread would acknowledge the "prayer" that Kabongo threw up and went in to send it to OT. Sometimes it helps to be struck by luck, and UT had a prayer answered.

Off-balance, falling down, and slung it up there, and it went in...

It was Texas' night, that's all...

 

[skyvue]

Off-balance, falling down, and slung it up there, and it went in...It was Texas' night, that's all...

There was also the three-shot foul when we were up by four. The validity of that call can be argued, but it was at best debatable (the TV announcer stated outright that it was a bad call, that the shooter sought out the contact).