WVU, Baylor and OSU

[DenverSooner]

Who gets in?

I think at least two of them will make it.

 

[Swans]

Right now the brackatologists have WVU out and the other two in.

 

[stormspencer]

WV only gets into the tournament one of two ways:
1.) Beat OU and KU (finish at 10-8 in conference)
or
2.) Win the Big 12 tournament. They did absolutely nothing in non-conference and they lack any bulk of good wins. Their best two wins, by far, are OU and ISU (both at home). They also have won at Baylor.....but that's about it.

I think both OSU and Baylor just need to at least split their last two games to finish at 8-10 in conference. Both of their resumes, when compared to other bubble teams, are noticeably better. OSU now has a signature win over KU and Baylor has OOC wins against Kentucky (neutral) and Colorado...both of those are tournament teams. I think if OSU and Baylor both finish at 8-10....that they both make the tournament at no worse than an 11 seed.

 

[earlpearl]

West Virgina gets left out, however they may be the best of the three teams right now.

On another note next year West Virgina could be scary good. It is said they have some talented big men redshirting this year. I might even predict that they will be in the thick of the big 12 hunt next year.

 

[oSuJeff97]

West Virginia's weakness when compared with OSU and Baylor is non-conference SOS and quality wins.

WVU's best non-conference win was against RPI #135 William & Mary.

Both OSU and Baylor won multiple non-conference games against RPI Top 50 teams.

 

[WTSooner]

At this point, OSU is almost assuredly in, Baylor is probably in, and WV is probably out.

 

[BoulderSooner]

osu is only in with a win in the next 2 games .. if they lose both they are out

baylor also just needs 1 more win ...


then they both must avoid a "bad" loss in the conf tourney to feel totally safe .. ie don't lose to tcu/ tech

 

[DenverSooner]

West Virginia's weakness when compared with OSU and Baylor is non-conference SOS and quality wins.

WVU's best non-conference win was against RPI #135 William & Mary.

Both OSU and Baylor won multiple non-conference games against RPI Top 50 teams.

No doubt about that. They were in a lot of games where a few bounces would have had them winning. Had WVU had a strong non-conference performance, the Big XII RPI would be insane. The lost to Va Tech by 5, Wisconsin by 7, Missouri by 9, Gonzaga by 4 and Purdue by 3. Some of those games might not have been that close but I have to believe they had a descent chance to win a few of those. Right now WVU has 16 wins. Just imagine if they had beaten Va Tech, Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Purdue. Those would be 4 pretty solid wins (Va Tech isn't very good but they are an ACC team) and put WVU at 20 wins.

 

[DenverSooner]

osu is only in with a win in the next 2 games .. if they lose both they are out

baylor also just needs 1 more win ...


then they both must avoid a "bad" loss in the conf tourney to feel totally safe .. ie don't lose to tcu/ tech

I hope they both make it. I would love to see the conference get 7 teams. Outside of Baylor, I am fairly confident the Big XII will win its first round games. Baylor is certainly capable of winning.

 

[Section31]

I hope they both make it. I would love to see the conference get 7 teams. Outside of Baylor, I am fairly confident the Big XII will win its first round games. Baylor is certainly capable of winning.

The irony is, they are CAPABLE of losing the play-in game with Drew on the bench.

 

[MI Sooner]

osu is only in with a win in the next 2 games .. if they lose both they are out

baylor also just needs 1 more win ...


then they both must avoid a "bad" loss in the conf tourney to feel totally safe .. ie don't lose to tcu/ tech

I have a bet that says if they lose both regular season games and get to the conference tournament finals, they'll get in.

Neither loss would be too bad, and if hey get the 8 seed, which I think they would with two losses, they'd beat #9 (TTU), #1 (Kansas), and either #4/5 before losing in the finals. I don't see how, if they're in now (which I think they are), going 3-3 versus that schedule puts them out.

 

[opsooner]

WVU still has a chance to make some noise - playing at OU and vs KU. I have a feeling they will give us a great game as well as KU.

We really need to beat them and should beat them but even if we do I can see them making it in if they beat KU. They might need to win a game in the conference tourney.

Anyway, I think they could also get in if they go 9-9 and win a conference tourney game. If they go 10-8 they should be a lock. 8-10 leaves them on the outside unless they win the conf tourney.

It is unfortunate for them that they played poorly in the non-conf and lost all their key games against their best non-conf opponents. I suspect they would beat several of those teams now.

 

[WTSooner]

True. If WVU beats OU or KU on the road, it'll be interesting to see what happens. That would put them at 9-9 in the league right?

 

[opsooner]

True. If WVU beats OU or KU on the road, it'll be interesting to see what happens. That would put them at 9-9 in the league right?

Yes. They are 8-8 now with games @ OU and home vs KU. They are going to be very hungry and, therefore, dangerous when they play those games.

 

[MI Sooner]

Say WVU wins their last 2 plus 1 in the conference tournament, OSU gets 2 more wins, and Baylor gets 2 more wins. Then TTU makes a miracle run in the conference tournament. 9 Big 12 teams dancing.

I know it won't happen, but it's nuts that only about 10 games need to break right to get there.

 

[stormspencer]

WVU still has a chance to make some noise - playing at OU and vs KU. I have a feeling they will give us a great game as well as KU.

We really need to beat them and should beat them but even if we do I can see them making it in if they beat KU. They might need to win a game in the conference tourney.

Anyway, I think they could also get in if they go 9-9 and win a conference tourney game. If they go 10-8 they should be a lock. 8-10 leaves them on the outside unless they win the conf tourney.

It is unfortunate for them that they played poorly in the non-conf and lost all their key games against their best non-conf opponents. I suspect they would beat several of those teams now.

I think if they split this week, then they will have to win at least one (probably two) in KC to get in. As you said, their OOC performance (wins/losses) probably has dug too deep of a hole for them to get out of barring a great run over the next two weeks.