Xavier vs 'Nati fight

[Perk's Scowl]

Three players suspended 6 games. One player suspended one game. This helps us in our game up there.

 

[IndySooner]

That Cincinnati game is VERY winnable at this point. Three guys suspended who see minutes and one is their best player.

By the way, I was VERY impressed with how the Cincy head coach handled that. I actually didn't mind the Xavier players' comments as much as others did. The guy who referenced "gangsters" corrected himself right away and the "zip 'em up" comment was in reference to on the court action. Not the best choices of words, but not horrible, either.

Frankly, the Cincinnati players were the ones that acted like thugs. Gates was punching anyone in sight. The one guy stomped the big dude from Xavier when he was on the ground. A basketball came flying in right away. Cincy acted like thugs for sure.

 

[OUhoops11]

I don't think there's anyone innocent in this brawl, from the players, the coaches and even the refs.


Did Ibrahima Thomas graduate?

 

[IndySooner]

I don't think there's anyone innocent in this brawl, from the players, the coaches and even the refs.


Did Ibrahima Thomas graduate?

I think the one exception is Cincy's head coach. I loved the way he handled it.

 

[OUhoops11]

I think the one exception is Cincy's head coach. I loved the way he handled it.

Yeah, he said the right things in the press conference. Big deal, that's after the fact, probably because he was worried about his job as well.

He should've had his players under control throughout the week and especially during the game. If he couldn't control them, he shouldn't have recruited them. Do you honestly think a Lon Kruger team would do something like that?

 

[IndySooner]

That's fair. Can't argue with that.

 

[bocabull]

Liberals like you truly disgust me. The self proclaimed intelligence of the liberal (or is it progressive now) is laughable. To conclude that a person that randomly shoots another human will not do it because of some new restriction on the ownership of guns, is a complete lack of logic.

Where is the body bag? In Blacksburg or Cincy?

 

[JBaker]

Zip em up. Love it.

Cincy is totally at fault here. They ran their mouth pregame, got run off the court, Holiday was talking a little smack at the end of the game and one of the Cincy players put his hands in his face and was simply pushed away. At this point the entire Cincy bench rushes the floor and starts throwing sucker punches.

What the Xavier players said in the post game was perfectly fine. Said you don't talk smack before the game, that they were going to protect their court, that is somebody puts their hand in your face you do something about it. All true in the real world.

They zipped their a** up. Great motto. Print t-shirts immediately.

I knew you were dumb, but I didn't know you were this dumb.

 

[AdaSooner]

Where is the body bag? In Blacksburg or Cincy?

Let it go!

You're the one who brought politics into this discussion. And, it's not the first time you've been guilty of disrupting a thread with your political views. If you want to spout off about gun rights, go to OUInsider. That's why that site has an O'Connell's board.

 

[bocabull]

Let it go!

You're the one who brought politics into this discussion. And, it's not the first time you've been guilty of disrupting a thread with your political views. If you want to spout off about gun rights, go to OUInsider. That's why that site has an O'Connell's board.

Ada, I simply pointed out that playing connect the dots with "zip em up" is pure conjecture while in Blacksburg there is real violence that occurred. What is political about wanting to protect citizens from true danger instead of the imaginary man?

 

[OUhoops11]

Ada, I simply pointed out that playing connect the dots with "zip em up" is pure conjecture while in Blacksburg there is real violence that occurred. What is political about wanting to protect citizens from true danger instead of the imaginary man?

Your insistence on comparing the post-game comments with what has happened at Va Tech is questionable and bizarre, if not disturbing.

 

[AdaSooner]

Ada, I simply pointed out that playing connect the dots with "zip em up" is pure conjecture while in Blacksburg there is real violence that occurred. What is political about wanting to protect citizens from true danger instead of the imaginary man?

Nothing wrong with it, except this is not the place to bring what happened at Virginia Tech into the discussion. Turn a thread into a debate about gun rights and it would go on forever. I have my own opinion on the topic, and I assure you that I'm as strong in my position as anyone here.

That said, we're not going there, because I know where it will lead, and so do you. Please do what I asked and let it go. Thanks!

 

[bocabull]

Cool. Well I certainly hope the Xavier players are not suspended because their motto is "zip em up". That would be political correctness at it's worst. We all know they are saying that in regards to closing out a basketball game.

 

[AdaSooner]

I had no idea what the Xavier players were talking about with their "zip it up" comment. I knew it couldn't be good by the way they said it. Shows you how out of touch with today's youngsters I've become, especially inner-city kids. Heck, it's all I can do to keep up with our own grandchildren. lol

Now that I do know, I don't see anyway the coach and admins at Xavier could be pleased with what those kids said? I mean, come on, talking about putting someone in a body bag like it means nothing? City kid slang or not, it did not help the school's image.

Did those remarks rise to the level of a suspension? I'll let Xavier officials make that decision. What those players said doesn't bother me that much. But if one of our grandchildren went to school there, that's another story entirely. I'll bet I'm not the only parent or grandparent who would feel that way.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Cool. Well I certainly hope the Xavier players are not suspended because their motto is "zip em up". That would be political correctness at it's worst. We all know they are saying that in regards to closing out a basketball game.

We have had these discussions before, but I guess that you just don't get it. Let me try it this way:

Justice Dept. stats show that there is a growing, longterm problem in the African American community dealing with violence, almost genocide so to speak. You have young black kids of both sexes growing up believing there are no other options in life than to kill, deal, steal, and die trying to be rich. These kids have adopted a cursed mindset passed down from generation to generation, which teaches them to hate themselves, and respect no one or anything in pursuit of " the good life".

These kids grow up in environemnts where drug dealers are heroes, loose women are desired, and having active male role models and fathers are rare. As a black man I have personally lived, and experienced the mindset and the damage done. I have stood graveside at my 17 yr old son's funeral, wondering if his mother would ever recover from the pain she was feeling as they lowered our son into the grave, the victim of 4 shots to his head, from a young black male who thought he would " zip em up" over a 20.00 debt, something he considered disrespect.

To you it's just entertainment as you sit out in your nice condo watching your large television, browsing the stock market reports. To young kids in inner city Ohio, its kill or be killed, survival of the fittest, and zip em up is a mindset that tells them kill anyone who disrespects you by TALKING TRASH ON TWITTER...:facepalm Let that soak in a minute.... You see, to you zip em up is a tough guy term which has no real meaning other my favorite team will have tough players who do not take any crap. To a young boy in Cincy, zip em up means if a punk disrespects my colors or my set, put 4 bullets in his head, and mother f if his mother and younger siblings are left to mourn his murder, 10 yrs later......

You see Boca, the problem is these kids are taught the only way out is sports, entertainment, or crime. They idolize guys like Rayful Edmonds ( google this multi-millionaire drug lord/murderer), Tookie Williams, and LaBron. They need to be able to see a difference in Tookie and LaBron. They know when they watch or follow Edmonds they will learn to zip em up, if they disrespect them. Should they also learn that from a group of young men/women who supposedly are making it out of the hood the right way??? Should college athletes be given a free pass because they grew up tough or rough???

You see, there were young boys and girls at that game and watching on tv. To them , those guys are heroes. Those guys have it figured out. They aren't out there zipping em up, they are going to school and making a life for themselves the right way, so why can't those same kids see a difference??

What ALL of the players did was beyond over the line. To come to a press conference and glorify street violence, and pure thuggery is not acceptable at a major university. I walked amongst the drug dealers for years. I popped the guns, and I made sure no one disrespected my hood, my peers, and my way of life. I paid the price with my freedom, and with my losses. Today I go into homes as a Child Abuse/Neglect/Sexual Abuse Investigator, for the state of Oklahoma. I see kids everyday from the zip em up neighborhoods. I see kids who are victims of streetlife, who have crack/meth addicted mothers, dead brothers, and unknown fathers. They get beaten by those mothers, raped by boyfriends, and thrown into prisons early, if they survive long enough to make that trip.

To them I represent something better. To them I represent hope, stability, etc.... Would it be ok with you if I go to those kids and re-inforce their zip em up beliefs??? I mean come on, I survived some of the toughest streets in DC/Baltimore right?? I survived some of the toughest prisons on the east coast, so would it be ok if I glorify the zip em mentality when I'm in a position to show these kids something better??? I would never glorify or make it cavalier to say something like zip em up. Zip em up means PUT HIM/HER IN A BODYBAG!!!

That's what it means in Cincy, and that is what those kids understand it to mean when they see a young black ball player saying it on tv. This isn't a game of Grand Theft Auto on your fancy gaming system, while you laugh at the kid you just put a computer bullet in his head. This is reality, and the reality is that a college basketball player should be different than a street level gangsta. If they can't see the need/opportunity to leave that crap behind, then they need not even waste their time going to school....

 

[MsProudSooner]

We have had these discussions before, but I guess that you just don't get it. Let me try it this way:

Justice Dept. stats show that there is a growing, longterm problem in the African American community dealing with violence, almost genocide so to speak. You have young black kids of both sexes growing up believing there are no other options in life than to kill, deal, steal, and die trying to be rich. These kids have adopted a cursed mindset passed down from generation to generation, which teaches them to hate themselves, and respect no one or anything in pursuit of " the good life".

These kids grow up in environemnts where drug dealers are heroes, loose women are desired, and having active male role models and fathers are rare. As a black man I have personally lived, and experienced the mindset and the damage done. I have stood graveside at my 17 yr old son's funeral, wondering if his mother would ever recover from the pain she was feeling as they lowered our son into the grave, the victim of 4 shots to his head, from a young black male who thought he would " zip em up" over a 20.00 debt, something he considered disrespect.

To you it's just entertainment as you sit out in your nice condo watching your large television, browsing the stock market reports. To young kids in inner city Ohio, its kill or be killed, survival of the fittest, and zip em up is a mindset that tells them kill anyone who disrespects you by TALKING TRASH ON TWITTER...:facepalm Let that soak in a minute.... You see, to you zip em up is a tough guy term which has no real meaning other my favorite team will have tough players who do not take any crap. To a young boy in Cincy, zip em up means if a punk disrespects my colors or my set, put 4 bullets in his head, and mother f if his mother and younger siblings are left to mourn his murder, 10 yrs later......

You see Boca, the problem is these kids are taught the only way out is sports, entertainment, or crime. They idolize guys like Rayful Edmonds ( google this multi-millionaire drug lord/murderer), Tookie Williams, and LaBron. They need to be able to see a difference in Tookie and LaBron. They know when they watch or follow Edmonds they will learn to zip em up, if they disrespect them. Should they also learn that from a group of young men/women who supposedly are making it out of the hood the right way??? Should college athletes be given a free pass because they grew up tough or rough???

You see, there were young boys and girls at that game and watching on tv. To them , those guys are heroes. Those guys have it figured out. They aren't out there zipping em up, they are going to school and making a life for themselves the right way, so why can't those same kids see a difference??

What ALL of the players did was beyond over the line. To come to a press conference and glorify street violence, and pure thuggery is not acceptable at a major university. I walked amongst the drug dealers for years. I popped the guns, and I made sure no one disrespected my hood, my peers, and my way of life. I paid the price with my freedom, and with my losses. Today I go into homes as a Child Abuse/Neglect/Sexual Abuse Investigator, for the state of Oklahoma. I see kids everyday from the zip em up neighborhoods. I see kids who are victims of streetlife, who have crack/meth addicted mothers, dead brothers, and unknown fathers. They get beaten by those mothers, raped by boyfriends, and thrown into prisons early, if they survive long enough to make that trip.

To them I represent something better. To them I represent hope, stability, etc.... Would it be ok with you if I go to those kids and re-inforce their zip em up beliefs??? I mean come on, I survived some of the toughest streets in DC/Baltimore right?? I survived some of the toughest prisons on the east coast, so would it be ok if I glorify the zip em mentality when I'm in a position to show these kids something better??? I would never glorify or make it cavalier to say something like zip em up. Zip em up means PUT HIM/HER IN A BODYBAG!!!

That's what it means in Cincy, and that is what those kids understand it to mean when they see a young black ball player saying it on tv. This isn't a game of Grand Theft Auto on your fancy gaming system, while you laugh at the kid you just put a computer bullet in his head. This is reality, and the reality is that a college basketball player should be different than a street level gangsta. If they can't see the need/opportunity to leave that crap behind, then they need not even waste their time going to school....

Boca, if you don't want to read everything JMizz wrote, he's telling you that you are full of hot air and you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[AdaSooner]

I had already heard/read jmizzy's story about the tragic death of his teenage son. But his explanation of the real meaning of terms like "zip it up" to black inner-city kids, makes me feel ashamed that I passed off what the Xavier players said with a shrug of my shoulder and a "it doesn't bother me that much." In reality, it should bother all of us.

Please accept my apologies, jmizzy! I didn't mean to make light of what is a serious issue to someone like you who has been through (and seen) so much in your personal life as well as through the work you do.

 

[IndySooner]

I had already heard/read jmizzy's story about the tragic death of his teenage son. But his explanation of the real meaning of terms like "zip it up" to black inner-city kids, makes me feel ashamed that I passed off what the Xavier players said with a shrug of my shoulder and a "it doesn't bother me that much." In reality, it should bother all of us.

Please accept my apologies, jmizzy! I didn't mean to make light of what is a serious issue to someone like you who has been through (and seen) so much in your personal life as well as through the work you do.

Exactly what I was going to post. Pretty easy for me to shrug it off living in my nice house in Edmond typing from my La-Z-Boy. Sorry, jmizzy. Won't comment on this any further.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

No need to apologize guys. I know that no one here including Boca would make light of a kid being killed. Most of us, including myself are so far removed from that lifestyle/mentality, that it is easy, or becomes easy to shrug it off, and not make the connection. I'm guilty as well. I left that lifestyle yrs ago, and never desire to go back. I was actually living a lie, trying to fit in with something I was not raised to be or do. I shamed my parents, grandparents, and all of my good Oklahoma roots for a few yrs of ignorance.

What I learned was that to those guys/girls, there is no other way, and the hardest thing to do is to get them to consider another way. The best people who can convince them are people who they respect as coming from that lifestyle, who found a way to make it out. That is why we can't be ok as a society with guys at a college sports presser, glorifying street level cliche's, thuggery, and gangsta slogans. They are SUPPOSED to be exploring a better way.

Didn't mean to get preachy, but for obvious reasons it still hits me hard, 7 yrs after my son's murder.......

 

[SoonerBounce13]

anybody have a better video of the fight and the post game comments?