1988

[sybarite]

I'd have subbed and got someone fresh in if Manning was playing too tough.
Manning had nearly 3 times as many rebounds as King. Chris Piper out rebounded Harvey Grant. KU just wanted it more.

KU, or the officials?

You can forfeit, apologize, and be banned from basketball for ten years---none of which will be sufficient to quell my contempt for KU basketball. I won't even visit Kansas City.

 

[Cheno]

You can forfeit, apologize, and be banned from basketball for ten years---none of which will be sufficient to quell my contempt for KU basketball. I won't even visit Kansas City.

I totally understand that but to play that loss on anyone other than Tubbs and the team is silly.
Nobody is rooting harder for Butler tonight than Billy Tubbs and John Thompson.

 

[steverocks35]

How do you explain Dave Seger having a KU player climb up his back for a rebound and getting a foul called on him? How do you explain an OU player getting run over and getting called for a block? Oh yeah, Ed hightower...nuff said.

 

[sybarite]

I totally understand that but to play that loss on anyone other than Tubbs and the team is silly.
Nobody is rooting harder for Butler tonight than Billy Tubbs and John Thompson.

I will lay the blame where it belongs: on the officiating, the Kansas City home game, the NCAA and the Big Eight for providing those officials, and cowardice by the officials to call fouls on a KU player. I also rooted against Manning for his entire career.

 

[Cheno]

How do you explain Dave Seger having a KU player climb up his back for a rebound and getting a foul called on him? How do you explain an OU player getting run over and getting called for a block? Oh yeah, Ed hightower...nuff said.

How do you explain Chris Piper out rebounding Harvey Grant? How do you explain Pritchard and Newton out playing Blaylock and Grace? How do you explain playing your bench 7 minutes in an entire game? The things I speak of are facts. The thing you speak of is subjective and not why OU lost the game.

 

[Cheno]

I will lay the blame where it belongs: on the officiating, the Kansas City home game, the NCAA and the Big Eight for providing those officials, and cowardice by the officials to call fouls on a KU player. I also rooted against Manning for his entire career.

So OU can beat KU in Lawrence but not in Kansas City. Makes sense.
The fouls and free throws were basically even. Those are the facts and they are undisputable.

 

[stoops4pres]

I totally understand that but to play that loss on anyone other than Tubbs and the team is silly.

You do realize its extremely, EXTREMELY, difficult to beat a good team 3 times in one year, right? Nonetheless to play them virtually in the team's backyard? KU couldn't have asked for much of a better situation. Their circumstances were very fortunate and lucky. There's nothing wrong with that, I'd rather be lucky instead of being unlucky and being the superior team that didn't win on that given night. But it is what it is.

 

[steverocks35]

OU never used much of a bench that year, that's just ridiculous. When you're allowed to push, pull, and jump on backs it's easy to outrebound someone.

 

[sybarite]

How do you explain Chris Piper out rebounding Harvey Grant? How do you explain Pritchard and Newton out playing Blaylock and Grace? How do you explain playing your bench 7 minutes in an entire game? The things I speak of are facts. The thing you speak of is subjective and not why OU lost the game.

You keep making excuses for the officiating. If the officials won't let you rebound, you don't rebound. If the officials call fouls every time you block a shot of the fantastic Manning, you don't get credit for the blocks.

Play it in Norman with me as the official next time. Incidentally, nobody from KU will be permitted to attend. Well, it was that biased in KC.

Is there something more dreaded than the Taliban?

 

[steverocks35]

Oh and the announcer just GUSHED every time Manning came close to being near the ball. It was sickening. I'm pretty sure it was Musberger, but I could be wrong. And then the color guy was that idiot Billy Packer. Really hard to watch that game again, but I did it.

 

[Cheno]

You do realize its extremely, EXTREMELY, difficult to beat a good team 3 times in one year, right? Nonetheless to play them virtually in the team's backyard? KU couldn't have asked for much of a better situation. Their circumstances were very fortunate and lucky. There's nothing wrong with that, I'd rather be lucky instead of being unlucky and being the superior team that didn't win on that given night. But it is what it is.

I agree with everything you said. I have no problem with that statement.
But to listen to the whining and crying about the officials as the reason OU lost is hilarious. I realize that is not you.
OU lost because they were out coached and played tight. Gotta use your bench in a big game especially if guys are tight. Give them a quick blow and a chance to catch their breath and see what's going on. OU had big eyes all night long. The refs let both teams play...that's what typically happens in big games. The fouls and free throws were even.

 

[Cheno]

You keep making excuses for the officiating. If the officials won't let you rebound, you don't rebound. If the officials call fouls every time you block a shot of the fantastic Manning, you don't get credit for the blocks.

I don't recall all these great blocks. OU didn't defend anyone all night that game so I have trouble believing they had all these great blocks. :ez-roll:
Who was making all these great so called blocks?

 

[steverocks35]

No one is saying that the bad officiating was THE reason we lost the game. I think the bad officiating, plus KU shooting near 100%, plus OU not getting the ball inside in the second half were the biggest reasons we lost.

 

[sybarite]

I don't recall all these great blocks. OU didn't defend anyone all night that game so I have trouble believing they had all these great blocks. :ez-roll:
Who was making all these great so called blocks?

You don't have to believe it. Just play the next one with me as the referee, on my court, with only my friends as the crowd.

You thought it was fair when you did it in KC.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

One other thing I wanted to add. Perhaps it was payback from OU cutting down the nets in Allen Fieldhouse after clinching the Big 8 conference title in 1984, but the Kansas fans were by and large very sore winners after that game. Barry Switzer made several mentions of it in the coming months. The following autumn, I read in Sooners Illustrated that the OU football players never saw Barry so irate during halftime as they did during the 1988 OU-Kansas gridiron game. Barry would not stop talking about how rude and disrespectful the Kansas fans were to both the OU players and fans after that game. He wanted his players to take it out on their players. I don't remember the scores, but I do remember it was close at halftime, and OU destroyed them in the second half.

21-14 at halftime, final score 63-14...

 

[Cheno]

No one is saying that the bad officiating was THE reason we lost the game.

That's precisely what Sybarite is saying. If you can participate in this thread and not see that, I'm not quite sure you are the best judge of officiating in the 1988 national championship game.

 

[stoops4pres]

I agree with everything you said. I have no problem with that statement.
But to listen to the whining and crying about the officials as the reason OU lost is hilarious. I realize that is not you.
OU lost because they were out coached and played tight. Gotta use your bench in a big game especially if guys are tight. Give them a quick blow and a chance to catch their breath and see what's going on. OU had big eyes all night long. The refs let both teams play...that's what typically happens in big games. The fouls and free throws were even.

I agree. Complaining about the refs concerning that game is sour grapes.

 

[Cheno]

You don't have to believe it. Just play the next one with me as the referee, on my court, with only my friends as the crowd.
You thought it was fair when you did it in KC.

Stevie please read this post. :clap :ez-roll: Yeah, no one.

Sybarite it's not my fault no OU fans made the long 4 1/2 hour drive to KC.

I don't think it was fair that OU had all that talent and KU only had Manning.
Oh well, good thing KU had Larry Brown.

 

[steverocks35]

Stevie please read this post. :clap :ez-roll: Yeah, no one.

Sybarite it's not my fault no OU fans made the long 4 1/2 hour drive to KC.

I don't think it was fair that OU had all that talent and KU only had Manning.
Oh well, good thing KU had Larry Brown.

I'm pretty sure he's saying the game was not fairly officiated....I can't say I disagree with him.

 

[steverocks35]

You're not going to be able to post on the OU hoops board about the 1988 NC game and not get emotional responses. We OU fans still feel that one in our bones.