1988

[sybarite]

That's precisely what Sybarite is saying. If you can participate in this thread and not see that, I'm not quite sure you are the best judge of officiating in the 1988 national championship game.

That is exactly what I am saying! We lost because of unfair officiating.

Let me rephrase that. We lost because of unfair and biased officiating perpetrated by officials who apparently got caught up in the hometown crowd.

For that, I prefer to cheer for the Taliban.

 

[TakiToki]

It was Kansas' night.

Freakin' Clint Normore (a scrub from the football team who actually probably had less natural basketball talent than Dennis Burbank -- and he was a guard) went 3-3 from the field, including a 3-pointer.

Milt Newton and Kevin Pritchard went a combined 12-13 from the field. They certainly were good players, but on that night, even when they just had to throw it up, it went in.

In my dreams, though, I still see Grace's three, after Mookie's steal, go in. It's kinda like Michael Johnson's missed three against Michigan St. Good shots by good shooters, and if they go in, I think we win those games.

 

[Big Old Booger]

How do you explain Pritchard and Newton out playing Blaylock and Grace?

You don't explain it because they didn't. They hit more shots because they were hot that night, but for you to surmise they "outplayed" Blaylock and Grace is as ludicrous as a KU fan getting to post on an OU board.

How do you explain playing your bench 7 minutes in an entire game?

I keep telling you, OU didn't play much of their bench that year. THEY WERE NOT TIRED. CAN YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL? They played most every minute of every game. OU only had 3 subs that played much -- Wiley, Martin and Mullins -- and their minutes still paled in comparison to the main 5. Here are the minutes played that season:

Blaylock -- 1347
Grace -- 1301
Grant -- 1339
King -- 1212
Sieger -- 1198
Bell -- 102
Jones -- 246
Martin -- 310
Mullins -- 390
Pollard -- 86
Wiley -- 270
Skurcenski -- 24

To state it again, Tubbs didn't use his bench very much. He had 3 lottery picks, why would he pull them out of the game in the biggest game of the year? Why pull them when they got him to that point? That's something your favorite coach Roy Williams would do and that's why he never won a championship at KU. If you were watching Big 8 basketball back then instead of the ACC you would know this.

So, for you to continue to assert that the loss is Tubbs fault because he didn't use his bench just makes you look dumber than I thought anyone could possibly be.

The things I speak of are facts. The thing you speak of is subjective and not why OU lost the game.

No, you don't speak facts. You speak about something of which you have no clue because you were a North Carolina fan back then, or you were too busy watching the Pistons, Yankees, and whichever other bandwagon teams you chose to root for.

 

[BigTime]

 

[152219]

Like everyone on here, the '88 title game still haunts me. That OU team was incredible and was the best team in the nation IMHO (had many KU fans tell me that OU beats KU 9 out of 10 times). And yes, I cried too.

The only OU player who I believed played somewhat poorly was Grace. He shot is terribly that night. Blaylock was all over the place on defense and KU went away from him because they couldn't handle his pressure. To say, Blaylock was outplayed is flat out incorrect.

 

[ChampsIn2011]

Man, you mods are all over a Sooner fan if they make jokes to vent about a terrible season.

But, you let a KU fan taunt the whole board at will about about the most heartbreaking screwjob of a basketball game in our history.

Y'all are Cheno's *****.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Man, you mods are all over a Sooner fan if they make jokes to vent about a terrible season.

But, you let a KU fan taunt the whole board at will about about the most heartbreaking screwjob of a basketball game in our history.

Y'all are Cheno's *****.

Please give me an example.

 

[Big Old Booger]

How do you explain Chris Piper out rebounding Harvey Grant?

And...Chris Piper has never and will never outplay Harvey Grant. He didn't outplay him that night and for you to assert otherwise is flat out ignorant.

Get a clue before you post about something. Thanks.

 

[stoops4pres]

Man, you mods are all over a Sooner fan if they make jokes to vent about a terrible season.

But, you let a KU fan taunt the whole board at will about about the most heartbreaking screwjob of a basketball game in our history.

Y'all are Cheno's *****.

This must be DenverSooner reincarnated.

 

[Big Old Booger]

This must be DenverSooner reincarnated.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it. He posts on OUI some. Maybe some other poster who's been baned though...

 

[Crimson King]

Manning having 3 fouls early in the second half was another detail I had forgotten from my perch on the top row at Kemper. Of course, he never picked up another.

But seeing the BS Hightower call with 14 seconds left has really set me off again. At best, that's a no-call and we have a last possession to win or tie.

Yes, for several reasons, that is the biggest Sooner disappointment ever. I can't think of a football game that even comes close.

KU likes to call itself a basketball power, but the difference in accomplishment between their hoops and OUr football programs is not even close.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Manning having 3 fouls early in the second half was another detail I had forgotten from my perch on the top row at Kemper. Of course, he never picked up another.

But seeing the BS Hightower call with 14 seconds left has really set me off again. At best, that's a no-call and we have a last possession to win or tie.

Yes, for several reasons, that is the biggest Sooner disappointment ever. I can't think of a football game that even comes close.

KU likes to call itself a basketball power, but the difference in accomplishment between their hoops and OUr football programs is not even close.

Considering 3 coaches have more NC's than KU's entire program, I'd say KU's status as a "power" is debatable.

 

[Tundrasooner]

This must be DenverSooner reincarnated.

Probably. They go to the other board and spout off how wrongly treated they were but keep coming back over here under new names.

 

[ChampsIn2011]

Please give me an example.

Not you, so my apologies for painting with too broad a brush with "mods".

Seriously, though, Cheno is one of my favorite posters, but y'all let him go too far with this horse****.

It is like chanting "PLO" to Steve Kerr.

We were raped and robbed in that game. I was 11 years old and cried like an 11 year old little girl who just got raped and robbed.

 

[ChampsIn2011]

Probably. They go to the other board and spout off how wrongly treated they were but keep coming back over here under new names.

Never been banned here, only warned and had a number of posts edited.

Never complained about it at Insider -- and was never banned for anything there but football.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Not you, so my apologies for painting with too broad a brush with "mods".

Seriously, though, Cheno is one of my favorite posters, but y'all let him go too far with this horse****.

I understand what you are saying and I know that most OU fans aren't thrilled to hear about KU beating the Sooners in 1988 when most believed we had the best team, but keep in mind, the board rules apply to everyone equally. So, unless a poster violates the rules, they are free to say whatever they wish.

If you find someone posting outside the rules, please report that post and we will certainly review the complaint promptly.

 

[Sooner04]

Kansas sucks. If a reunion of the Soviet national team traveled to Lawrence to play Kansas I'd buy a ticket in the cheap seats and smuggle in a bottle of Stolichnaya. Nice shot, comrade!

I don't know how anybody could ever root for those blue sweater wearing, white turtleneck sporting dilweeds. I've rooted for Duke one time in my life, and it was when they played Kansas in the NCAA Tournament. A more festuring turd of a fanbase I've yet to encounter.

 

[SoonerEyeDoc]

if that game is anywhere but KC, OU wins in 88 pretty easily.

Agreed. I was there that night and it was amazing what that crowd did for KU.

 

[NMSooner'80]

Kansas sucks. If a reunion of the Soviet national team traveled to Lawrence to play Kansas I'd buy a ticket in the cheap seats and smuggle in a bottle of Stolichnaya. Nice shot, comrade!

I don't know how anybody could ever root for those blue sweater wearing, white turtleneck sporting dilweeds. I've rooted for Duke one time in my life, and it was when they played Kansas in the NCAA Tournament. A more festuring turd of a fanbase I've yet to encounter.

Don't hold back on your true feelings! :clap :clap

What was especially galling about that Final 4 was that OU was the universally despised "villain." The other three teams, Dook, KU and Arizona, pretty much billed themselves as being so pure, you'd have thought they traveled on the Good Ship Lollipop (especially Dook and the Beakers).

 

[Cheno]

That is exactly what I am saying! We lost because of unfair officiating.
Let me rephrase that. We lost because of unfair and biased officiating perpetrated by officials who apparently got caught up in the hometown crowd.
For that, I prefer to cheer for the Taliban.

I know it's exactly what you are saying Sybarite...and I respect your passion. Just blows me away SteveRocks continues to say that's not what you're saying. I wonder how he knows what you really mean despite you laying out in numerous posts exactly what you mean.
I actually respect and enjoy all the hatred and pissed off memories of that game for many here. That's the kind of passion OU basketball needs more of.
I think without a doubt OU had the better team that year. I just think for one night KU was hot and Manning was on a mission and Larry Brown coached circles around Billy Tubbs. No shame in that...in my mind Larry Brown might be the best X's and O's coach in the history of basketball. Guy is a genius. Good banter.