2020 Recruiting

BoulderSooner said:
OU has not been a "bottom feeder" if the down cycle of OU basketball is back to back NCAA tourney appearances ..winning a game in the NCAA and then losing the the ncaa champion

then that is a GOOD thing


the amount of negativity.... is truly amazing.... and frankly sad ..
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This is what I’ve been trying to figure out about some of the posters on this board. What is good enough? Would what KSU did this year be good enough? They tied for 1st then lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney. How would that sit with this group? Some will point to Wade being hurt but others already said we shouldn’t use injuries as an excuse because that clearly points to lack of depth for the program (I’m somewhat joking but this was pointed out by other posters when talking about OU’s injury history).

So back to the question if OU had KSU’s season last year would some of those posters consider that a success due to finishing at the top of the league or a failure for losing in the first round of the NCAA tourney?

I get wanting to compete for the league title but if things don’t go the team’s way for some reason or another and they finish 5th but make a run in the tournament to like the sweet 16 or elite 8 is that a success? I would think so but some of the posters here wouldn’t make you feel that way :)
 
BoulderSooner said:
OU has not been a "bottom feeder" if the down cycle of OU basketball is back to back NCAA tourney appearances ..winning a game in the NCAA and then losing the the ncaa champion

then that is a GOOD thing


the amount of negativity.... is truly amazing.... and frankly sad ..
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Maybe if we had easily gotten in. We pretty easily could have missed these past two years as well. We're talking one or two wins. OU limping into the tournament isn't something we should be proud of. Especially when it happened two years in a row, falling a season where we lost the most games in program history.
 
WTSooner said:
Maybe if we had easily gotten in. We pretty easily could have missed these past two years as well. We're talking one or two wins. OU limping into the tournament isn't something we should be proud of. Especially when it happened two years in a row, falling a season where we lost the most games in program history.
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they easily got in both of the last 2 years
 
WTSooner said:
I don't think we can use the illness/injury excuse. ALL teams have that to some degree. Nobody wanted to make excuses for TCU or UT when they lost key guys down the stretch. If losing Woodard hurt that much, it just shows how thin with talent our roster truly was at the time.
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When we beat TCU and Texas down the stretch, there were multiple posts commenting on how lucky we were that they were missing key players.
 
WichitaSooner said:
When we beat TCU and Texas down the stretch, there were multiple posts commenting on how lucky we were that they were missing key players.
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Certain of our fans are much more generous and forgiving of other programs than our own.
 
skyvue said:
Certain of our fans are much more generous and forgiving of other programs than our own.
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OU basketball is much more respected outside of this state than inside ...

and more respected by the media and others than by lots of its own fans
 
I have loads of respect for this program and its accomplishments. It has a very rich history, and for the last 40 years has been one of the top-20 programs in the country. Are there any better than us who also lack a national title? We're not top echelon but, in my lifetime, we're not far from it either.

That's why I think we can and should do better. I feel like we're losing ground to the conference. And I don't see much help on the horizon.
 
skyvue said:
Certain of our fans are much more generous and forgiving of other programs than our own.
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OU fans gripe about injuries just as much or more than anybody else. Many still think we'd have won a MNC against Florida had Murray not been injured. There's also many on here that put an asterisk by KU's conference title Blake's sophomore year.

The difference is, we were a great team with Blake on the court. Woodard played quite a bit his senior year, and in all honesty, we may have played better after he went down. I loved Woodard, but it's not like he was an All-American, or even an All-Big XII first team contender. We were terrible with or without him that year.
 
Ou is one of 3 schools to make 6of 7 ncaa tournaments

I know we all want more. Everyone can agree to that
 
Eielson said:
OU fans gripe about injuries just as much or more than anybody else. Many still think we'd have won a MNC against Florida had Murray not been injured. There's also many on here that put an asterisk by KU's conference title Blake's sophomore year.

The difference is, we were a great team with Blake on the court. Woodard played quite a bit his senior year, and in all honesty, we may have played better after he went down. I loved Woodard, but it's not like he was an All-American, or even an All-Big XII first team contender. We were terrible with or without him that year.
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Go back and check what our record was before he was out of the lineup the first time, which was right before Christmas. Then check what happened in the few weeks he was out. Not coincidentally, that is precisely when our season cratered. We weren't very good with him and likely wouldn't have even finished .500, but we certainly would have won more games had he played a full, healthy season. He was far and away our best scorer the first several weeks.
 
No point in harping about 2017. We needed everything to go right - Woodard to be at least a 2nd team All-Conference player, McGusty to play like the top-30 recruit he was, and for our three sophomores to take the proverbial big jump after their freshman season. None of those things materialized...not even close. Not sure the point in reliving that. Looking back on the two seasons that followed, they were "ok" when you factor in the entire seasons and not just November and December / or January and February. I'm excited about next season and hope we can land an immediate contributor in the 2020 class. If we need more than two, then it's likely things did not go well in 2019-2020.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Go back and check what our record was before he was out of the lineup the first time, which was right before Christmas. Then check what happened in the few weeks he was out. Not coincidentally, that is precisely when our season cratered. We weren't very good with him and likely wouldn't have even finished .500, but we certainly would have won more games had he played a full, healthy season. He was far and away our best scorer the first several weeks.
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We were 6-4 in non-conference with Woodard, which is terrible. We only had 1 P5 win in nonconference, and we had 3 mid-major losses. UNI went 14-16 that year. Our season was bound to crater (if it hadn't already) when we entered conference play regardless of whether or not Woodard was with us.

We had lost 7 straight conference games with Woodard before he went down for the year. We then proceeded to finish the season 3-4 in conference without him.

As you stated, we were terrible with or without Woodard. If you agree with that, then you agree that we can't blame that poor season on injury. Whether we went 11-20 or 14-17 is mostly irrelevant.
 
We were bad with Jordan. Worse without him though. He was not healthy the entire year.
 
AdaSooner said:
You’ve got your opinion of the last three seasons, I’ve got mine. Nice to know you were satisfied with what I called, mediocrity!

I made it clear that I am not only pleased but I’m optimistic about the players we’ve got coming back, as well as our 2019 recruiting class. You obviously missed that part or you chose to ignore what I had to say.

I stand by my assessment of the seasons following our Final Four run. OU should be competing for conference titles, not finishing with a losing record in Big 12 play. Our best finish was sixth during those seasons. I don’t think I’m the only one who was less than satisfied with the way those seasons turned out.
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I care making the NCAA tournament and winning games once there.

Obviously, it's easier to do both if you play well in the regular season. I'll agree we've been, generally, mediocre during conference play.

If I look at the big picture, however, I see six NCAA's in seven seasons with a winning record in the tournament.

Can things improve? Absolutely and I hope they do, but let's quit acting like these are the dark days of OU basketball.
 
I hope Pooh can work some magic on BT. Need that baller in crimson and especially not in Lawrence.
 
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