2025 NCAA Tourney Bracketology

I mean this in the nicest way, but I don't think those quotes are as "gotcha" as you think they are. Bumping early takes are, meh. He has admitted he was wrong on several points. He swings negative, but that happens. Stay positive.

At the time we were teetering bubble. (if I remember when that was said)

Do less gotcha quotes and just enjoy that we are playing our best ball as of late and not in the play-in. Happy to be back in the tourney, makes Selection Sunday and my favorite holiday (March Madness) so much sweeter when OU is in.

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As of this morning, there are 4 bid thieve options still remaining. 1 of those is the Mountain West which is guaranteed a bid thief with Boise St and CSU in the final. The A10, American, and Big West still need to play it out. I wonder if we are about to be sweating a play-in game b/c of those? Teams like Uterus and UNC have to be sweating bullets.
 
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No we aren’t sweating a play in game because any bid stealers will knock out those last four in teams. We are not a last four in and sit a few spots up on the last four bye teams
The bad part about the bid stealers is they can’t play in Dayton. So it could potentially bump us there. But I think we are a few spots clear of Dayton as well.
 
I want Palmer’s projected bracket I think. Uconn, then a Duke w/o wonderboy and Marquette before running into another SEC team.
You’re crazy man…. That sounds about as bad a matchup as we could get. I’m still hoping we get the non play in 11 and have the chance to face a 6 and 3.
 
As of this morning...

ESPN - 10 seed playing St. Mary's in Cleveland

Bracketville - 9 seed playing Memphis in Lexington

Jon Rothstein - safely in... not even last four byes

Delphi - 9 seed playing Marquette in Raleigh

The Athletic - Last four in playing San Diego State

Bleacher Report - 10 seed playing Louisville (which couldn't even happen lol)

On3 - 10 seed playing UCLA in Cleveland

TSB - 10 seed (37 overall)

CBB Topic - 9 seed (36 overall)

Hoops HD - 11 seed playing BYU in Providence
 
I'm going to say that our 11 wins against quad 1 and 2 teams and our 23 total quad 1 and 2 games, including 3 wins against teams still competing for conference titles (Michigan, Louisville, and Arizona) will actually push us higher in the seeding than most expect. Unfortunately, that means the 8-9 game most likely.
 
The piss poor past years results of the mountain west needs to be accounted for by the committee imo. That’s a 3 bid league maximum. For example, Sdsu has no business whatsoever in the tournament this year with 20 wins out of a mid major conference. Ou didn’t make the tournament last year with 20 wins in the toughest conference in the country last year.
 
The piss poor past years results of the mountain west needs to be accounted for by the committee imo. That’s a 3 bid league maximum. For example, Sdsu has no business whatsoever in the tournament this year with 20 wins out of a mid major conference. Ou didn’t make the tournament last year with 20 wins in the toughest conference in the country last year.
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I'm going to say that our 11 wins against quad 1 and 2 teams and our 23 total quad 1 and 2 games, including 3 wins against teams still competing for conference titles (Michigan, Louisville, and Arizona) will actually push us higher in the seeding than most expect. Unfortunately, that means the 8-9 game most likely.
That would be pretty awesome if OU had wins over three P4 conference champions.
 
The piss poor past years results of the mountain west needs to be accounted for by the committee imo. That’s a 3 bid league maximum. For example, Sdsu has no business whatsoever in the tournament this year with 20 wins out of a mid major conference. Ou didn’t make the tournament last year with 20 wins in the toughest conference in the country last year.
In my opinion, Texas deserves it more than all these bubble teams with the 7 Quad 1 wins
 
In my opinion, Texas deserves it more than all these bubble teams with the 7 Quad 1 wins
Committee in the past has punished P4 teams for playing nobody in NC. The Texas schedule maker should be embarrassed, daddy Sankey can’t hand hold them throughout their entire SEC tenure.
 
In my opinion, Texas deserves it more than all these bubble teams with the 7 Quad 1 wins
Eamonn Brennan had an interesting article debating Texas v. UNC and how Q1 is a bit overused as a resume comparison.

He said when you look at Q2, UNC is 8-0 and Texas is 3-4. Which is true, but it was interesting to see someone's take on it.


Quadrant 1 wins ain’t everything. This is a crucial — and eminently forgettable — fact. No other component of team sheets is discussed as often, or accorded as much rhetorical importance. It is frequently the only thing broadcasters mention about a team’s resume, the only portion of the team sheet a mid-timeout bubble-discussion chyron flashes on the screen.

A case in point: During Texas’s loss to Tennessee Friday, when the time came to discuss Texas’s status on Joe Lunardi’s bubble, Jay Bilas argued that the Longhorns’ quality wins were all you really needed to note about their resume, relative to North Carolina or Xavier; Dan Schulman dutifully ticked off the quality teams Texas had beaten this season, noting their 7-10 Q1 record. “I rest my case,” Bilas responded. There was no meaningful mention of any other aspect of any of the teams’ cases, an acknowledgement that not all Q1 wins and losses are equal, that North Carolina had gone 8-0 against Q2 (Texas is 3-4) and boasted a top-five nonconference schedule. There was none of that. Quadrant 1 began, and ended, the discussion.

This collective obsession makes sense — up to a point. (We certainly focus on it plenty, too.) The committee clearly cares about Q1 performance. They should! Beating good teams is how you, you know, prove you’re a good team.

But teams on the bubble are different. They’re on the bubble! They’re sort of mediocre! The conversation is more nuanced. You’re not comparing conference champions vying for No. 2 seeds; you’re trying to select from a mass of disparate flaws. What matters more: A couple of important victories? The specific details of those victories (i.e.: are they in the top or bottom half of quadrant 1)? Solid performance against the middle of the pack? Bad losses? Schedule strength? NET? The mesh of predictive and records metrics that vary from model to model?

If all we had to do to predict selection committee behavior every year was look at wins at the top end of the team sheet, this whole process would be very easy. But it’s not. It’s complicated. And it’s why, despite all the pundit-class dismissiveness about their performance in one undeniably important segment of their schedule, North Carolina was still in so many mock brackets entering Friday. The whole team sheet counts.

Having said all that: If the choice comes down to North Carolina and Texas, we’d put Texas in the field. (We are not sure this premise is even valid. Both teams could end up getting in, and the battle for the last spot might come down to Indiana and Xavier.) The Longhorns took a bunch of losses and scuffled throughout a brutal SEC campaign, but they have done some quality work along the way. Heck: During the first half of North Carolina’s eventually competitive loss to a Cooper Flagg- and Maliq Brown-less Duke, we were prepared to go all the way and make an eye test argument. Yes, the eye test! Texas looked better — more cohesive, more balanced, more talented. North Carolina looked like it didn’t care. And we hate the eye test!

Then North Carolina battled back and nearly (and frankly should have, but for a lane violation by Jae’Lyn Withers, the poor kid) knocked off the (yes, depleted) No. 1 team in the country, and looked like a pretty darn good team in the process. (Turns out, when Elliot Cadeau isn’t a mess and at least one big shows up to play, this is not a bad outfit.)

The core argument for the Tar Heels came back to the fore in that final 20 minutes: This is a decent squad that has played a ton of really good ones. It has habitually failed to get over the hump. That is why it is on the bubble. But does that mean it definitely isn’t one of the best 37 at-large candidates? Not necessarily.

Your mileage may vary. Truly. That’s the real point here: This is all open to interpretation. It’s not open-and-shut. Preferring Texas because of quadrant 1 wins is not as obvious or as simple or as conversation-ending as many acted Friday. (And, yes, we are already bracing for the TV outrage Sunday night if Xavier or UNC makes the field over the Longhorns. It will not be reasonable. It will be vitriolic.)


There’s a reason UT is on the cut line. There is a reason they are one spot above or one spot below the Tar Heels (or Xavier): There is more to bubble life than quadrant 1 wins.
 
Eamonn Brennan had an interesting article debating Texas v. UNC and how Q1 is a bit overused as a resume comparison.

He said when you look at Q2, UNC is 8-0 and Texas is 3-4. Which is true, but it was interesting to see someone's take on it.


Quadrant 1 wins ain’t everything. This is a crucial — and eminently forgettable — fact. No other component of team sheets is discussed as often, or accorded as much rhetorical importance. It is frequently the only thing broadcasters mention about a team’s resume, the only portion of the team sheet a mid-timeout bubble-discussion chyron flashes on the screen.

A case in point: During Texas’s loss to Tennessee Friday, when the time came to discuss Texas’s status on Joe Lunardi’s bubble, Jay Bilas argued that the Longhorns’ quality wins were all you really needed to note about their resume, relative to North Carolina or Xavier; Dan Schulman dutifully ticked off the quality teams Texas had beaten this season, noting their 7-10 Q1 record. “I rest my case,” Bilas responded. There was no meaningful mention of any other aspect of any of the teams’ cases, an acknowledgement that not all Q1 wins and losses are equal, that North Carolina had gone 8-0 against Q2 (Texas is 3-4) and boasted a top-five nonconference schedule. There was none of that. Quadrant 1 began, and ended, the discussion.

This collective obsession makes sense — up to a point. (We certainly focus on it plenty, too.) The committee clearly cares about Q1 performance. They should! Beating good teams is how you, you know, prove you’re a good team.

But teams on the bubble are different. They’re on the bubble! They’re sort of mediocre! The conversation is more nuanced. You’re not comparing conference champions vying for No. 2 seeds; you’re trying to select from a mass of disparate flaws. What matters more: A couple of important victories? The specific details of those victories (i.e.: are they in the top or bottom half of quadrant 1)? Solid performance against the middle of the pack? Bad losses? Schedule strength? NET? The mesh of predictive and records metrics that vary from model to model?

If all we had to do to predict selection committee behavior every year was look at wins at the top end of the team sheet, this whole process would be very easy. But it’s not. It’s complicated. And it’s why, despite all the pundit-class dismissiveness about their performance in one undeniably important segment of their schedule, North Carolina was still in so many mock brackets entering Friday. The whole team sheet counts.

Having said all that: If the choice comes down to North Carolina and Texas, we’d put Texas in the field. (We are not sure this premise is even valid. Both teams could end up getting in, and the battle for the last spot might come down to Indiana and Xavier.) The Longhorns took a bunch of losses and scuffled throughout a brutal SEC campaign, but they have done some quality work along the way. Heck: During the first half of North Carolina’s eventually competitive loss to a Cooper Flagg- and Maliq Brown-less Duke, we were prepared to go all the way and make an eye test argument. Yes, the eye test! Texas looked better — more cohesive, more balanced, more talented. North Carolina looked like it didn’t care. And we hate the eye test!

Then North Carolina battled back and nearly (and frankly should have, but for a lane violation by Jae’Lyn Withers, the poor kid) knocked off the (yes, depleted) No. 1 team in the country, and looked like a pretty darn good team in the process. (Turns out, when Elliot Cadeau isn’t a mess and at least one big shows up to play, this is not a bad outfit.)

The core argument for the Tar Heels came back to the fore in that final 20 minutes: This is a decent squad that has played a ton of really good ones. It has habitually failed to get over the hump. That is why it is on the bubble. But does that mean it definitely isn’t one of the best 37 at-large candidates? Not necessarily.

Your mileage may vary. Truly. That’s the real point here: This is all open to interpretation. It’s not open-and-shut. Preferring Texas because of quadrant 1 wins is not as obvious or as simple or as conversation-ending as many acted Friday. (And, yes, we are already bracing for the TV outrage Sunday night if Xavier or UNC makes the field over the Longhorns. It will not be reasonable. It will be vitriolic.)


There’s a reason UT is on the cut line. There is a reason they are one spot above or one spot below the Tar Heels (or Xavier): There is more to bubble life than quadrant 1 wins.
If that was true OU would have been in last year. They were like 9-0 against Q-2 or something like that. OU last year and UNC this year are similar. UNC should be the first one out.
 
If that was true OU would have been in last year. They were like 9-0 against Q-2 or something like that. OU last year and UNC this year are similar. UNC should be the first one out.
No, not at all. If UNC makes it, is is solely due to their noncon SOS. They had one of the five or six toughest in the country. If they get it, that will be the reason. We missed last year mainly due to a noncon SOS in the low 200s.
 
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