2026-2027 Roster?

100% need to pull in more of the mid-tier schools. Would love to see some Ivy league schools.

What is weird to me is that while we have won plenty of games against sub-.300 teams, I don't know that we've played many good games against those teams.
 
pnkranger said:
100% need to pull in more of the mid-tier schools. Would love to see some Ivy league schools.

What is weird to me is that while we have won plenty of games against sub-.300 teams, I don't know that we've played many good games against those teams.
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We haven't, and that hurts us even more. Some people downplay it and say that a win by 15 is still a win, but like it or not, it's been known for a long, long time that the committee considers the metrics, and the metrics factor in every offensive and defensive possession of the season. So, when you play miserable opponents, you better beat the piss out of them for 40 minutes rather than sleep walking through half (or more) of the game.
 
WichitaSooner said:
We haven't, and that hurts us even more. Some people downplay it and say that a win by 15 is still a win, but like it or not, it's been known for a long, long time that the committee considers the metrics, and the metrics factor in every offensive and defensive possession of the season. So, when you play miserable opponents, you better beat the piss out of them for 40 minutes rather than sleep walking through half (or more) of the game.
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It's true that we slept walk through half of these games. But I don't think we were dinged for not winning by enough

St. Francis: 36
Arkansas PB: 26
Oral Roberts: 24
Alcorn State: 19
Kansas City: 22
Stetson: 53
MVSU: 24
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
It's true that we slept walk through half of these games. But I don't think we were dinged for not winning by enough

St. Francis: 36
Arkansas PB: 26
Oral Roberts: 24
Alcorn State: 19
Kansas City: 22
Stetson: 53
MVSU: 24
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we could have won all those games by one point......and if we had won 1 or 2 more games in the sec by one point....we would have been in the tournament.
we just didn't win enough games.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
It's true that we slept walk through half of these games. But I don't think we were dinged for not winning by enough

St. Francis: 36
Arkansas PB: 26
Oral Roberts: 24
Alcorn State: 19
Kansas City: 22
Stetson: 53
MVSU: 24
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That's five of seven where we didn't win by enough. Did it make the difference this season? Maybe, maybe not. Did it help us? Absolutely not.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Most the analytics say 30+ points when you are playing teams in the 300s. Our defensive metrics in particular took a beating in several of those games because we gave up way too many points to some laughably bad offenses.
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what is your source for this?
I really don't care if we win by 25 or 31. That isn't going to make any meaningful difference
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
what is your source for this?
I really don't care if we win by 25 or 31. That isn't going to make any meaningful difference
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Well, all due respect, what you think doesn't matter. Nor does what I think matter. What matters are the metrics that are expressly weighed by the committee in selecting the teams that get to compete in the NCAA tournament. Whether you or I think it should be that way is irrelevant. If the committee adjusts their criteria and says that games played after 8:00 PM on Tuesdays get additional weight, it would be stupid, but as long as everyone knows it, then teams should adjust accordingly. And many of the metrics consider every possession over the course of the season.

As for my source, it is so commonly accepted that it would be like asking me for my source if I say the sky is blue. Numerous bracket experts have said some version of, "If you play a lot of really bad Q4 teams, you need to blow them out." And our own season showed that -- our KemPom numbers improved after Stetson, for example, and went down after some of the Q4 games where we played poorly and our defense allowed too many points per possession.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Well, all due respect, what you think doesn't matter. Nor does what I think matter. What matters are the metrics that are expressly weighed by the committee in selecting the teams that get to compete in the NCAA tournament. Whether you or I think it should be that way is irrelevant. If the committee adjusts their criteria and says that games played after 8:00 PM on Tuesdays get additional weight, it would be stupid, but as long as everyone knows it, then teams should adjust accordingly. And many of the metrics consider every possession over the course of the season.

As for my source, it is so commonly accepted that it would be like asking me for my source if I say the sky is blue. Numerous bracket experts have said some version of, "If you play a lot of really bad Q4 teams, you need to blow them out." And our own season showed that -- our KemPom numbers improved after Stetson, for example, and went down after some of the Q4 games where we played poorly and our defense allowed too many points per possession.
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So a 29 point victory isn't considered a blowout anymore?
 
From a rankings perspective, it's less about how many points and more about efficiency. Points per possession and opponents points per possession. You could win by 25 in a slow tempo game, and it could be considered a blow-out with high shooting percentages, high points per possession, etc. Or you could win 110-85 in a high-octane game with twice as many possessions, bad shooting percentages, tons of turnovers, etc., and it's not the same from a computer perspective.
 
pnkranger said:
From a rankings perspective, it's less about how many points and more about efficiency. Points per possession and opponents points per possession. You could win by 25 in a slow tempo game, and it could be considered a blow-out with high shooting percentages, high points per possession, etc. Or you could win 110-85 in a high-octane game with twice as many possessions, bad shooting percentages, tons of turnovers, etc., and it's not the same from a computer perspective.
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True. I may not have done a good job explaining that part, but it’s why I mentioned that every offensive and defensive possession matters. Points per possession is the main metric that KenPom has emphasized for years.
 
WTSooner said:
I mean, I don't know the specifics, but you have to set the bar somewhere.
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I disagree. If you beat someone by 29 or 30 shouldn’t matter more than any other incremental gain from scoring 1 more point than another team.
 
TINY said:
I disagree. If you beat someone by 29 or 30 shouldn’t matter more than any other incremental gain from scoring 1 more point than another team.
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It doesn’t. No one is saying it’s a black and white line. Again, points per possession are what matter. This really isn’t a hot take.
 
Ugh...Atak was a guy I hope would stay and continue to develop. You can't blame him for leaving, though. If many on this Board were questioning his inconsistent playing time / rotation, you can bet his inner circle was doing the same. If this guy can figure out how to play even average defense, he could be a major addition to some program.
 
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