3 point shooting the difference
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Offensive confidence seemed to nosedive after the Texas game.
1. It's been great to be back in the tournament.
2. No need to discuss tonight's game. Our 2nd half was another disaster.
3. My worry is how on God's green earth are we going to score next year.
Our returners have A LOT of work to do this summer.
2. No need to discuss tonight's game. Our 2nd half was another disaster.
3. My worry is how on God's green earth are we going to score next year.
Our returners have A LOT of work to do this summer.
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Not true.
The worst time might have been during the stretch without Buddy when Pledger was red-hot. If he goes cold then, we might lose another game or two, and we might not have Danced at all.
agreed.
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50% free throw shooting in their final game had nothing to do with it??????
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Our guys have major issues hitting the rim from the corners when shooting 3s. Seemed like the airball % in our last couple of games was more then 50% less from the sides.
Pledger had WAY too many of those kinds of games in his career. That's how I will remember him. He had a few really good games that we don't win without him shooting it good, but more often than not it was like last Friday. Always hoped he would turn into a Michael Neal type guy, one that you just counted on to make most of his open 3s. Just never happened on a consistent basis.
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Comments like this crack me up.
Neal as a junior and senior shot 37.5% from three.
Pledger as a junior and senior shot 38.9% from three.
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That may be how you remember it, but the stats suggest that's not really how it happened.
Neal shot 37.5% from behind the line for his two seasons, while Pledger shot 36.9 over the course of his four seasons. Couldn't be much closer.
Neal
2006-42.4
2007-31.0
Career-37.5
Pledger
2010-33.8
2011-35.0
2012-41.6
2013-36.4
Career-36.9
Over his final two seasons, which might be the only fair way to compare, Pledger outshot Neal from deep -- 38.8 to 37.5.
I'm not saying Pledger didn't have off-games -- of course he did -- but if he'd had as many as you recall him having, there's no way his numbers would stack up that well against Neal.
Either Neal wasn't as good as you remember him being, or Pledger was better than you're giving him credit for.
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Those stats can be skewed though. Don't really have a dog in the fight but I would be curious to know what variance is in those numbers.
Shooter A can have 6 games of 0/6, 6/11, 4/6, 3/5, 2/8, 1/4 and just shot 16/40 = 40%, but had several awful shootings nights <26% and several very good nights >50%.
Shooter B can have 6 games of 2/5, 2/6, 2/6, 3/7, 3/7, 4/9 and just shot 16/40, 40%, as well, and never had a great night >44%, never had a bad night <33%.
I will say it seemed pledger was more of shooter A. Boy did he have some games where he just filled it up, but also had some where you wondered if he was mentally ready to play that game.
Just trying to open the conversation.
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Of course, but the previous poster suggested that Pledger had many more bad games than good and that Neal was steady and reliable. If that were so, Pledger's stats wouldn't likely match up to Neal's because if you're having many more bad games than good, your good ones have to be over-the-top, one-for-the-record-book efforts, or they wouldn't bring your average up that much.
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I don't think the difference is that great, or the overall stats would be farther apart.
I was going to put something together, but I can't find the game logs for Neal. ESPN only goes back about 4 years I think.
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There has to be a right mix. In reality if a player can consistently shoot better than 33% from beyond the arc he is shooting well. If he's better than that he should be playing a lot. But, three point shooting is a double edged sword and you only have to look at a team like Dook to see that. They emphasize three point shooting as a part of their offense (as many/most teams do now days).
When JJ Reddick was there he shot 40.5% over a four year career and yet they only went to one final four because they weren't good enough in the front court when he had an off night. I only mention Reddick because he was widely considered to be the best shooting guard in college ball at the time.
Rotnei Clarke shot 41.6% for his career by the way.
When JJ Reddick was there he shot 40.5% over a four year career and yet they only went to one final four because they weren't good enough in the front court when he had an off night. I only mention Reddick because he was widely considered to be the best shooting guard in college ball at the time.
Rotnei Clarke shot 41.6% for his career by the way.
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