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How come we dont run any kind of ball screens? i think we ran a total of maybe 5 picknroll/picknpops all game...

it is the most simple and most effective play in basketball and we refuse to run it. for the life of me i cant understand the pass it around the perimeter occasional baseline off-ball screen for pledger
 
How come we dont run any kind of ball screens? i think we ran a total of maybe 5 picknroll/picknpops all game...

it is the most simple and most effective play in basketball and we refuse to run it. for the life of me i cant understand the pass it around the perimeter occasional baseline off-ball screen for pledger

Because when majority of teams run ball screens now, they get called for illegal screens....
 
Because when majority of teams run ball screens now, they get called for illegal screens....

This, Your bigs have to be able to set legal screens, and your gaurds have to know how to position the defender to hit the screen or a ball screen wont work
 
Why would that be so hard to learn? My daughter's high school team knows how to set ball screens and use them effectively.
 
Not true.

Our basic set involves a 4/5 interchange into a ball screen.

The 4 catches at the top and swings it to the 3 on the wing.

4 cuts to the basket.

5 follows right after the 4 cuts, and sets a ball screen for 3.

This is a base set for us, and one we run all the time.

We didn't run it as much last time because they were in 2-3 zone for a large part of the game.
 
Why would that be so hard to learn? My daughter's high school team knows how to set ball screens and use them effectively.

I bet the guys guarding us are a bit better than the the people guarding your daughter. The officials are probably a little more prone to call the illegal screen in college as well.
 
Same fundamentals. Basketball is basketball. I find it hard to believe that men on the college level can't set legal effective screens. The biggest problem I see is that the ball-handlers aren't patient enough, they try to go before the screener gets his feet set.
 
Same fundamentals. Basketball is basketball. I find it hard to believe that men on the college level can't set legal effective screens. The biggest problem I see is that the ball-handlers aren't patient enough, they try to go before the screener gets his feet set.

College officials are probably the most stringent at calling an illegal screen as any level of basketball. The NBA is very lax on it. Many NBA teams would get called for illegal screens five or six times a game if they committed them the same way in front of major conference NCAA officials.
 
College officials are probably the most stringent at calling an illegal screen as any level of basketball. The NBA is very lax on it. Many NBA teams would get called for illegal screens five or six times a game if they committed them the same way in front of major conference NCAA officials.

Solution? Don't set illegal screens.
 
Solution? Don't set illegal screens.

It's actually not all that simple to set am effective "legal" screen. They make it look simple in the NBA because the officials let them get away with so much, same thing at the HS level. In college they actually call the foot movement that occurs at every other level and doesn't get called.
 
Same fundamentals. Basketball is basketball. I find it hard to believe that men on the college level can't set legal effective screens. The biggest problem I see is that the ball-handlers aren't patient enough, they try to go before the screener gets his feet set.

Not really worth doing if you can't do it right. I agree with the original post. One of the most simple but most difficult plays to defend in basketball. I like that Kruger switches on them defensively. I wish we ran them better offensively.
 
Not really worth doing if you can't do it right. I agree with the original post. One of the most simple but most difficult plays to defend in basketball. I like that Kruger switches on them defensively. I wish we ran them better offensively.

Agreed.
 
It's funny, I decided to watch a few instructional videos on the p-n-r as a result of this thread, in each of them the screen was not fully set and the foot was still sliding at the time of contact.
 
College officials are probably the most stringent at calling an illegal screen as any level of basketball. The NBA is very lax on it. Many NBA teams would get called for illegal screens five or six times a game if they committed them the same way in front of major conference NCAA officials.

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This. Illegal screens are rarely called by high school officials. It's also important to note that college officiaing crews have an extra pair of eyes, with each official responsible for an area on the floor.

That said, screens can be an effective tool when used properly. IMO, Kruger's offense does not use them often enough.
 
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This. Illegal screens are rarely called by high school officials. It's also important to note that college officiaing crews have an extra pair of eyes, with each official responsible for an area on the floor.

That said, screens can be an effective tool when used properly. IMO, Kruger's offense does not use them often enough.

this phrase is key. There is no point in running more if all it means is extra fouls on Ro or M'Baye. They get in foul trouble it is down to Fitz, Neal, and Arent in the post. That can't happen
 
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This. Illegal screens are rarely called by high school officials. It's also important to note that college officiaing crews have an extra pair of eyes, with each official responsible for an area on the floor.

That said, screens can be an effective tool when used properly. IMO, Kruger's offense does not use them often enough.

A vast majority of the games in Texas have three officials.
 
Same fundamentals. Basketball is basketball. I find it hard to believe that men on the college level can't set legal effective screens. The biggest problem I see is that the ball-handlers aren't patient enough, they try to go before the screener gets his feet set.

Just stop.

Running a pick and roll at the collegiate level is an astonishingly different scenario than doing it against high schoolers.
 
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Just stop.

Running a pick and roll at the collegiate level is an astonishingly different scenario than doing it against high schoolers.

you would think players at a D1 school would be able to learn how to run a pick and roll or set a proper screen
 
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