BBJ/Terry Evans exchange on the radio

[bgrch1350]

would any of you hire an OU great as your asst. coach who, once things started going downhill again, fans would be calling for to replace you as head coach? not saying terry shouldn't or wouldn't be a good assistant or head coach, but i can see why capel wouldn't subject himself to that. jmo.

The question is...would Evans want to be an assistant at OU. The guy has a family here. He is the head coach at UCO. And with the school only allowing him to bring in in-state players...he's able to be home for dinner most of the nights instead of out on the road recruiting.

Its different when your talking about him being the head coach at OU or an assistant that is always out recruiting.

 

[Sam]

Terry had a OU basketball job of some sort under Sampson. But he left after 1 year. Anyone know why?

Director of Basketball Ops I believe.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Terry had a OU basketball job of some sort under Sampson. But he left after 1 year. Anyone know why?

He was offered the head coaching job at UCO. He had never been a head college basketball coach and UCO is a D-2 school, so a good job to get him some NCAA experience. You can't turn down an opportunity like UCO especially when your current title is "director of basketball operations" at a D-1 school, which is what he was.

 

[campbest]

I'm not sold on Evans, he has to go be an assistant somewhere first before I would give him a look. The backcourt play of DII is similar to the low major Division I, not much difference. However, the frontcourt is night and day. Prime example, they had a player a few years back who was first team all-conference I believe, transferred from OU after his sophomore season. He was good, but wasn't one of the top eight players at the Huff when he left. Obviously he improved, but there is a huge difference between the level of ball played in the Big XII and LSC.

Are they still planning on joining the MIAA? Success will be a lot harder to come by if that happens.

I also hear the argument that Capel "isn't ready for a big time Division I job yet", what makes Terry Evans more ready?

 

[Big Old Booger]

I'm not sold on Evans, he has to go be an assistant somewhere first before I would give him a look. The backcourt play of DII is similar to the low major Division I, not much difference. However, the frontcourt is night and day. Prime example, they had a player a few years back who was first team all-conference I believe, transferred from OU after his sophomore season. He wasn't one of the top eight players at the Huff when he left. Obviously he improved, but there is a huge difference between the level of ball played in the Big XII and LSC.

Are they still planning on joining the MIAA? Success will be a lot harder to come by if that happens.

I also hear the argument that Capel "isn't ready for a big time Division I job yet", what makes Terry Evans more ready?

Yes, they start in the MIAA next year or the year after. I can't wait because the MIAA tourney is in KC, so I will get to watch them play.

When we had just finished with Sampson and Tubbs before him and had the streak of XX straight postseason appearances as well as the 2nd best program in the conference we were a better program than to hire an someone as wet behind the ears as Jeff. Now that we have fallen on hard times and have 2 straight double-digit losing seasons and maybe a 3rd in a row next season, I say you give him a chance. See what he can do because it can't be any worse at that point.

 

[bgrch1350]

Yes, they start in the MIAA next year or the year after. I can't wait because the MIAA tourney is in KC, so I will get to watch them play.

When we had just finished with Sampson and Tubbs before him and had the streak of XX straight postseason appearances as well as the 2nd best program in the conference we were a better program than to hire an someone as wet behind the ears as Jeff. Now that we have fallen on hard times and have 2 straight double-digit losing seasons and maybe a 3rd in a row next season, I say you give him a chance. See what he can do because it can't be any worse at that point.

If Capel doesn't get it done next year...then by all means give a guy you know that wants this job and will be here til he retires.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I'm not sold on Evans, he has to go be an assistant somewhere first before I would give him a look. The backcourt play of DII is similar to the low major Division I, not much difference. However, the frontcourt is night and day. Prime example, they had a player a few years back who was first team all-conference I believe, transferred from OU after his sophomore season. He was good, but wasn't one of the top eight players at the Huff when he left. Obviously he improved, but there is a huge difference between the level of ball played in the Big XII and LSC.

Are they still planning on joining the MIAA? Success will be a lot harder to come by if that happens.

I also hear the argument that Capel "isn't ready for a big time Division I job yet", what makes Terry Evans more ready?

Everyone loves the back up QB....:ez-laugh::ez-laugh:

 

[Sam]

If Capel doesn't get it done next year...then by all means give a guy you know that wants this job and will be here til he retires.

Isn't that what TU did with John Phillips when Buzz left?

 

[campbest]

Yes, they start in the MIAA next year or the year after. I can't wait because the MIAA tourney is in KC, so I will get to watch them play.

When we had just finished with Sampson and Tubbs before him and had the streak of XX straight postseason appearances as well as the 2nd best program in the conference we were a better program than to hire an someone as wet behind the ears as Jeff. Now that we have fallen on hard times and have 2 straight double-digit losing seasons and maybe a 3rd in a row next season, I say you give him a chance. See what he can do because it can't be any worse at that point.

See, I just don't agree. People on here have a sense of urgency to get this program back to where it was (or a reasonable comparison), but want to hire a guy who has miniscule D-I experience...just don't follow that line of reasoning.

Also, post above mentioned his recruiting budget and how he can't bring in out of state players. So you're telling me he has never recruited much out of Oklahoma? Where are his connections?

 

[Romulus]

Would be curious to see what a Terry Evans and Jeff Webster combo would do at OU

 

[bmd23]

The point iam making is he has not won anything why get a D2 coach who cant even win his own conference championship? Are we any better with Evans than Capel? Evans needs to get a low-major job and turn it around first.

 

[Seymore Cox]

The point iam making is he has not won anything why get a D2 coach who cant even win his own conference championship? Are we any better with Evans than Capel? Evans needs to get a low-major job and turn it around first.

I get you on that. He hasn't won nuthin! Let me add a few names to the list of guys who haven't won anything. Kelvin Sampson, Billy Gillispie, Lon Kruger, Tim Floyd, Eddie Sutton, Buzz Williams, John Thompson III, Doc Sadler. The point is, it's not like you can just wave a wand and win your conference or a national championship. He's done really well at UCO and is a very good coach. I can see him at OU. He's a good coach. The natural step for him may be to take a mid major job, like at Tulsa. He's definetely worthy of that. However, if you look at his resume, he's done a lot more than many of the coaches who get jobs now. So why does he have to live up to higher standards than a Scott or Sean Sutton, or assistants like Buzz Williams, Matt Dougherty, etc.

 

[bmd23]

I get you on that. He hasn't won nuthin! Let me add a few names to the list of guys who haven't won anything. Kelvin Sampson, Billy Gillispie, Lon Kruger, Tim Floyd, Eddie Sutton, Buzz Williams, John Thompson III, Doc Sadler. The point is, it's not like you can just wave a wand and win your conference or a national championship. He's done really well at UCO and is a very good coach. I can see him at OU. He's a good coach. The natural step for him may be to take a mid major job, like at Tulsa. He's definetely worthy of that. However, if you look at his resume, he's done a lot more than many of the coaches who get jobs now. So why does he have to live up to higher standards than a Scott or Sean Sutton, or assistants like Buzz Williams, Matt Dougherty, etc.

None of those guys shouldve got major jobs either. You just dont step into the ring with Ali because you think you can box. You dont make the jump to the BIG12 the second best conference in all of college basketball unless you have proven you can atleast get UCO to the D2 Final Four. But i do agree with you he has made UCO a power. I could definitely see him taking over ORU or Tulsa and turning those programs around because he gets players that are overlooked.

 

[Seymore Cox]

I don't think it would be that huge of a stretch. OU is not Ali and Evans is not Butterbean. He has a good game management style from the couple of games I've seen him coach. Also, for someone who advocates going after instate kids, you probably would like him as a recruiter.

 

[scrybe]

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I don't know what your expectations are, but UCO is not known as a basketball juggernaut. Sure, they had some good seasons here and there before Evans, but he's taken them to the next level.

Considering he's an ex-OU player and from OKC, and I think OU is his dream job, so he wouldn't always be on the lookout for the next train out of Norman. If and when the spot becomes available, I think they should give him a chance. He can't do any worse than Capel thus far.

I like Evans too, and I think he should be given every consideration if or when the OU job becomes vacant. But as far as I know, OU doesn't have an opening for a head coach at the present time. Oh, and I also believe the last sentence of your post really separates the sheep sh!t from the apple butter as far as your real agenda is concerned. In other words, this really isn't about Terry Evans at all.

We might as well be discussing who we could hire to replace Sherri Coale as the Sooner women's coach.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I like Evans too, and I think he should be given every consideration if or when the OU job becomes vacant. But as far as I know, OU doesn't have an opening for a head coach at the present time. Oh, and I also believe the last sentence of your post really separates the sheep sh!t from the apple butter as far as your real agenda is concerned. In other words, this really isn't about Terry Evans at all.

We might as well be discussing who we could hire to replace Sherri Coale as the Sooner women's coach.

Scrybe is back to looking for agendas. :ez-roll:

The last line of that post was meant as it sounds. Now that the program is no longer the 2nd best in the conference and not yearly playing games in the post season, I say we give Evans a chance if Capel doesn't get it fixed by next year. I can't imagine Terry would do worse than 2 consecutive seasons with less than 15 wins and more than 15 losses. If the truth hurts, then so be it.

EDIT: Since you obviously don't know, sheep poop doesn't look anything like apple butter. I know because I used to raise sheep, hogs, and cattle and even showed and judged them as a lad at the county and state fair. I'll let you figure out what sheep poop looks like on your own. :ez-roll:

 

[scrybe]

Scrybe is back to looking for agendas. :ez-roll:

The last line of that post was meant as it sounds. Now that the program is no longer the 2nd best in the conference and not yearly playing games in the post season, I say we give Evans a chance if Capel doesn't get it fixed by next year. I can't imagine Terry would do worse than 2 consecutive seasons with less than 15 wins and more than 15 losses. If the truth hurts, then so be it.

EDIT: Since you obviously don't know, sheep poop doesn't look anything like apple butter. I know because I used to raise sheep, hogs, and cattle and even showed and judged them as a lad at the county and state fair. I'll let you figure out what sheep poop looks like on your own. :ez-roll:

Okay, BOB. I guess I pretty much agree with you on the "if Capel doesn't get it fixed" part. And, of course, I'd probably also agree with you that if Stoops doesn't get it "fixed" and win another national title in the next couple of years, it'll be time to try to lure Petey Carroll out of the NFL. You know, someone who CAN win a MNC.

So you see, we really are on the same page when you break it all down and separate the sheep……well, you get my drift. And to answer your "edit" above: That's exactly why it's so easy to separate the sheep poop from the apple butter. :ez-laugh:

 

[Big Old Booger]

Okay, BOB. I guess I pretty much agree with you on the "if Capel doesn't get it fixed" part. And, of course, I'd probably also agree with you that if Stoops doesn't get it "fixed" and win another national title in the next couple of years, it'll be time to try to lure Petey Carroll out of the NFL. You know, someone who CAN win a MNC.

So you see, we really are on the same page when you break it all down and separate the sheep……well, you get my drift. And to answer your "edit" above: That's exactly why it's so easy to separate the sheep poop from the apple butter. :ez-laugh:

I've never once said anything like that or even close to it. Bob could win 6 games next year and it would be fine by me...he's earned a down year or 2 once in a while as far as I'm concerned.

Capel can't be compared to Bob Stoops. I don't know if that was your intention but that's the way it comes across. And, neither can Sherri Coale (who you referenced in a previous post). Both Bob and Sherri have programs at the top of their respective games, Capel does not.

Neither can Sunny Golloway, Patty Gasso, the volleyball coach, the tennis coach, the golf coach, either of the gymnastics coaches, etc. Maybe Jack Spates could have been compared at one time, but he's at least had winning seasons and is graduating kids. Basically, I can't think of a coach in the athletic department that can be compared to Jeff Capel. Sorry, but that's the fact.

 

[Section31]

Capel can't be compared to Bob Stoops. I don't know if that was your intention but that's the way it comes across. And, neither can Sherri Coale (who you referenced in a previous post). Both Bob and Sherri have programs at the top of their respective games, Capel does not.

Yep, bad comparison. But, I'd also say lumping Sherri, although she's done a FABULOUS job, is not a great comparison. Let's face it, she plays about 10 tough games a year. Not to say she intentionally schedules cream-puffs, but thats about all the truly tough teams there are in women's college hoops. OU women's hoops is a top 5-10 program and its easier to stay that way.

Again, I'm not really making light of what Sherri has accomplished in and of itself, but to compare it to men's hoops and football is a stretch.

 

[Section31]

Neither can Sunny Golloway, Patty Gasso, the volleyball coach, the tennis coach, the golf coach, either of the gymnastics coaches, etc. Maybe Jack Spates could have been compared at one time, but he's at least had winning seasons and is graduating kids. Basically, I can't think of a coach in the athletic department that can be compared to Jeff Capel. Sorry, but that's the fact.

Whoa!!!! Please clarify. If you are saying Gasso and the gymnastics coaches are not comparable to Bob and Sherri, then you've lost your mind. If you are saying they are comparable then you need to leave Jack, the golf/volleyball/tennis coaches out.

Our gymnastics (both) programs and the softball program are top 5-10 in the country over that past 10-15 years.