Thoughts on the game

I watched the game on You Tube last night. I liked what I saw. If our hurt players come back soon we may have a decent team.
 
I thought we looked decent. Fears obviously looked good. Moore is good. Godwin is competent. I wasn't overly impressed with Miles; I expected him to be a better athlete than he is. Be curious to see how Jadon Jones looks.

Overall, it's the same quality team we've had for what feels like a decade now. We'll be on the bubble. KenPom projects us at 18-11 (9-9) which sounds about right to me.

Moser can coach/evaluate/recruit, it's a shame he doesn't get more support from the admin/fans. He'll do well at his next spot.
 
BulldogSooner said:
I thought we looked decent. Fears obviously looked good. Moore is good. Godwin is competent. I wasn't overly impressed with Miles; I expected him to be a better athlete than he is. Be curious to see how Jadon Jones looks.

Overall, it's the same quality team we've had for what feels like a decade now. We'll be on the bubble. KenPom projects us at 18-11 (9-9) which sounds about right to me.

Moser can coach/evaluate/recruit, it's a shame he doesn't get more support from the admin/fans. He'll do well at his next spot.
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If you can do all three of those things, shouldn't you be able to win? And I remember lots of butts in the seats for a lot of big home games last year, and we laid an egg every time.
 
Why would he move on if we have that strong a season? Do you guys really think it's OU that's holding him back and not the other way around? How much demand would there be for a coach who's topped out at 21-8 in four seasons?

Where is the evidence that he can "coach/evaluate/recruit"? In which of his three seasons in Norman would you argue that he has gotten the most out of his players? And when has his recruiting been anything close to stellar? (I will say that I include talent retention in the same category as recruitment--doesn't matter who you bring in if you can't convince them to stay.)

I'm not trying to trash the guy. I'm in wait-and-see mode right now--I intend to enjoy this season as it plays out unless and until it somehow gets derailed, but I'm baffled that anyone is convinced at this stage that Moser is something special, a guy other programs would be looking to steal.
 
BulldogSooner said:
I thought we looked decent. Fears obviously looked good. Moore is good. Godwin is competent. I wasn't overly impressed with Miles; I expected him to be a better athlete than he is. Be curious to see how Jadon Jones looks.

Overall, it's the same quality team we've had for what feels like a decade now. We'll be on the bubble. KenPom projects us at 18-11 (9-9) which sounds about right to me.

Moser can coach/evaluate/recruit, it's a shame he doesn't get more support from the admin/fans. He'll do well at his next spot.
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what did you see wrt miles that makes you unimpressed with his athleticism?
i saw a pretty big/athletic guard who handles the ball well and seems to have a pretty sweet outside shot.
gotta admit i don't watch players' feet movement and i'm definitely no expert on defense....but i liked what i saw in game 1 from miles.

i think the quality of the team is a little better than last season. i base that on the fears factor combined with a better moore.
also...doesn't matter how "quality" the team is if they don't play well together. there were rumors after last season that uzan and mccollum didn't get along.
if true...that explains it all for me. also...oweh's collapse as the season went along seemed more mental than anything else.
hopefully this team has good chemistry and the results will be much better than last season...even if the "quality" isn't drastically better.
 
OULad said:
If we somehow go 21-8 this year he would likely move on.
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I think you underrate the OU Men's Basketball program. 5 consecutive head coaches at OU have been to the Sweet 16 or beyond. To my knowledge, only Kansas and UCLA can make the same claim. Even if I'm missing a school, that's pretty good company. I can't see the coach who ends that streak getting flooded with job opportunities. He's also in his mid-50s; not exactly young (I'm older BTW). As such, unless a school comes calling that is higher on the totem pole than OU, he wouldn't have much incentive to switch jobs.
 
BulldogSooner said:
I thought we looked decent. Fears obviously looked good. Moore is good. Godwin is competent. I wasn't overly impressed with Miles; I expected him to be a better athlete than he is. Be curious to see how Jadon Jones looks.

Overall, it's the same quality team we've had for what feels like a decade now. We'll be on the bubble. KenPom projects us at 18-11 (9-9) which sounds about right to me.

Moser can coach/evaluate/recruit, it's a shame he doesn't get more support from the admin/fans. He'll do well at his next spot.
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lol… if he can “coach/evaluate/recruit”… then we should be better than 18-11. That doesn’t even make sense. I would guess that every top 10 or heck 15/30 ranked team DOES NOT give every player $500k-$1 million in NIL… just doesn’t happen.

Studs are not coming to OU for more reasons than NIL $.

Iowa st is in the top 10, I’d bet they aren’t even close to that in NIL deals.

PM is the same yell in his hand pacing the sideline like he has been.
 
More info… now, it’s just 100 college coaches and they voted in who appears most… BUT

BYU is third in NIL - not ranked top 25
Isu isn’t in top 100 nil - ranked 5th
KSU is 6th nil - not ranked top 25

Point is nil isn’t the cure all coaches are winning despite and not winning with.
 
It is my understanding that 11-12 of the SEC teams currently have a yearly NIL budget of at least 5 million dollars for men's basketball. The other teams have a yearly NIL budget of 1-3 million. I have been told that Coach Moser is given between 1-2 million per year to spend.

While we can all agree that having a winning and nationally competitive team in Power 5 men's basketball involves many many factors. Certainly, at least an important factor is talent, and NIL is a huge factor in talent, particularly in the paint/inside. I like Moser and think he has done a good job overall. But, with or without a competitive NIL budget for the schedule he has to play, he needs to win more than he has. I have no idea if he is on the "hot" seat this year. People saying that or that have that opinion are just speculating. Only Joe would really know that.

I like the look of this team. Can't know for sure, but if Fears is 75% as good as I think he is and doesn't hit a wall in his development, and we can stay relatively healthy (particularly Moore, Jones, Fears, Sam and Wague),, then I think we have a good chance at being a Tourney team. Conference competition will be very stiff, so we will just have to wait and see how it turns out. As for me, I am pulling hard for Coach and the team to get it done. Moser isn't my favorite OU coach, but I like him and think he does a good job.
 
cowboysooner said:
It is my understanding that 11-12 of the SEC teams currently have a yearly NIL budget of at least 5 million dollars for men's basketball. The other teams have a yearly NIL budget of 1-3 million. I have been told that Coach Moser is given between 1-2 million per year to spend.

While we can all agree that having a winning and nationally competitive team in Power 5 men's basketball involves many many factors. Certainly, at least an important factor is talent, and NIL is a huge factor in talent, particularly in the paint/inside. I like Moser and think he has done a good job overall. But, with or without a competitive NIL budget for the schedule he has to play, he needs to win more than he has. I have no idea if he is on the "hot" seat this year. People saying that or that have that opinion are just speculating. Only Joe would really know that.

I like the look of this team. Can't know for sure, but if Fears is 75% as good as I think he is and doesn't hit a wall in his development, and we can stay relatively healthy (particularly Moore, Jones, Fears, Sam and Wague),, then I think we have a good chance at being a Tourney team. Conference competition will be very stiff, so we will just have to wait and see how it turns out. As for me, I am pulling hard for Coach and the team to get it done. Moser isn't my favorite OU coach, but I like him and think he does a good job.
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Last year is the one that tells me that this isn’t just an NIL/talent issue. Obviously we’ll see how it plays out with the guys who left, but three of them have stepped into starting positions at power conference teams, including a couple ranked teams. And those weren’t even our best players. Waldo and Moore both had very good seasons and are incredibly athletic. Yet with that roster, Moser went 2-11 against the field.
 
Don't care to argue it out with my fingers, but I don't even count his first two years. I view last year as the first real time we could evaluate Coach. We were a bubble team playing one of the hardest schedules in the Country. So, I thought he was successful last year and did a good job. How do you define successful or failure, I'm OK if your opinion of these concepts is different than mine. To each his own. I perfectly understand and can appreciate that some have far higher expectations of the OU basketball program. I guess you could say my expectations are just substantially more tempered. I feel the way about football the way some of you feel about basketball.

In football, the coach has every imaginable resource and a long history of elite success. This is simply not true in basketball. I have been going to basketball games since before Lloyd Noble was built. And, we have had some great coaches through the years, that in my opinion, did way more with way less. But, considering the resources, our best coaches and their best teams substantially overperformed. Historically, we have been a second tier, generally successful, team but anything but a blue blood. So, I see Moser as having done well with what he is given to work with. Bad gym, low public support, mixed history and tradition, poor talent and low success the few years before he got to OU, absurdly difficult schedules, and then being the first coach to deal with the portal and NIL (not really being given any NIL in the first couple years of his tenure).
 
cowboysooner said:
Don't care to argue it out with my fingers, but I don't even count his first two years.
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Curious...why do you dismiss the first two years? Every OU coach in my lifetime has made hay or significant improvement his first two years on the job.

As a matter of fact, Moser is the only one to post a losing record in year two. Although Kelvin came real close.
 
Sooner04 said:
Curious...why do you dismiss the first two years? Every OU coach in my lifetime has made hay or significant improvement his first two years on the job.

As a matter of fact, Moser is the only one to post a losing record in year two. Although Kelvin came real close.
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For me I kind of agree on the first two years but nit everyone here wants to hear it. Some people are convinced he sucks no matter what he does. They do so to the point of dismissing where the program was when he took over, when he took the job, the effect of the portal and the newness of NIL.

None of those thing excuses every mistake PM made but collectively they made thing pretty difficult for him early on and exacerbated the issues we did have.

Just some light reading on top NIL programs...we are nowhere near the upper levels.

www.si.com

Coaches Reveal Top NIL Programs in College Basketball

CBS Sports' Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander recently conducted their annual Candid Coaches series, spending a month surveying over 100 Division I men’s basketba
www.si.com www.si.com

www.google.com

Candid Coaches: Which programs do you believe have the best NIL situations?

We asked more than 100 coaches who they think have the best name, image and likeness programs in place
www.google.com www.google.com

PM was behind the 8 ball on NIL (and OU as a whole was at first) and the powers that be did not help until this year. He made the huge mistake of putting his eggs in a couple of baskets without an initial backup plan. I think he recovered ok but it cost him. I like where we are on big recruiting going forward but we'll see.


I think winning 21 games was a positive. Missing out on the tournament sucked but it is what it is. I don't think PM is as bad as a few on here like to attempt to point out but I also don't think he is perfect. I have my doubts we have the means to pull a top tier head coach....and our history has kind of proven that. Tubbs and Sampson were great coaches but they weren't upper echelon guys when we hired them either.

I don't think PM gets fires this years honestly but I also think there are some here that want him gone no matter what he does short of a Final Four.
 
Sooner04 said:
Curious...why do you dismiss the first two years? Every OU coach in my lifetime has made hay or significant improvement his first two years on the job.

As a matter of fact, Moser is the only one to post a losing record in year two. Although Kelvin came real close.
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We were recruiting with our arms tied behind our backs. No NIL and poor fan support is basically impossible to overcome against a top 5 schedule.
 
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