Beard to Texas

[Romulus]

^^^^
Gets it. At the same time I absolutely do not want Texas to be on the level of Kansas in basketball

 

[sheepdogs1]

Beard didn't even continue to do what he did at Tech at Tech. He had two very good seasons followed by two seasons that Lon Kruger would have (and has) gotten roasted for (three, really, but I'm giving Beard a pass on his first season).

Two good seasons followed by a significant dropoff for two seasons and posters on this board have placed him in the coaching pantheon.

Or perhaps they are making an apples to apples comparison over a 5 year stretch. Using the term "pantheon" is just a distortion of reality. Confusion is created by distorting reality. Trouble comes from confusion. Why is it necessary. What does it achieve. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Eielson]

Tom Crean is close but Marquette is in Wisconsin and IU is not. Same geographical area and probably about the same distance apart as Austin to Lubbock.

The "in state" rule makes it harder to find examples.

State is a minor thing for me if you have the same recruiting base. He also switched conferences.

While he may not have cashed in on IU's wannabe-blue blood status, he didn't exactly do worse at IU. He won the Big 10 twice vs winning C-USA once and never finished above 4th in the Big East. He also went to the Sweet 16 three times at IU despite advancing past the round of 32 once at Marquette.

 

[Eielson]

Beard didn't even continue to do what he did at Tech at Tech. He had two very good seasons followed by two seasons that Lon Kruger would have (and has) gotten roasted for (three, really, but I'm giving Beard a pass on his first season).

Two good seasons followed by a significant dropoff for two seasons and posters on this board have placed him in the coaching pantheon.

I've responded to this in other threads -- feel free to respond there if you want to engage in conversation rather than obnoxious trolling. Otherwise I'll leave you alone with this piss-poor logic that you can't possibly believe.

 

[scrybe]

I could give a rat's rear-end how well Chris Beard does at Texas – except when it comes to playing us. He's a good coach, but certainly not on the level of Bill Self. So what, if he made it to the NCAA title game? So did Lon Kruger at OU, as well as some Finals 4s at other stops. We can talk about this again after Beard has been a head coach for 40 years.

I agree wholeheartedly with WTS (Surprise!) and a few other posters. If Joe C. takes care of business – and I believe he will – the Sooners will continue to beat UT regularly and finish above the whorns in the conference standing more often than not.

 

[Romulus]

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

 

[dksooner]

I could give a rat's rear-end how well Chris Beard does at Texas – except when it comes to playing us. He's a good coach, but certainly not on the level of Bill Self. So what, if he made it to the NCAA title game? So did Lon Kruger at OU, as well as some Finals 4s at other stops. We can talk about this again after Beard has been a head coach for 40 years.

I agree wholeheartedly with WTS (Surprise!) and a few other posters. If Joe C. takes care of business – and I believe he will – the Sooners will continue to beat UT regularly and finish above the whorns in the conference standing more often than not.

Nova kicked our ass in the semifinals

 

[Max Power]

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

something tells me he can't...

 

[skyvue]

I've responded to this in other threads -- feel free to respond there if you want to engage in conversation rather than obnoxious trolling. Otherwise I'll leave you alone with this piss-poor logic that you can't possibly believe.

I mean every word of it. I am the furthest thing from a troll, but on this board, offering a differing opinion, especially when it's accompanied by inconvenient facts, makes some posters very upset.

 

[thebigabd]

I mean every word of it. I am the furthest thing from a troll, but on this board, offering a differing opinion, especially when it's accompanied by inconvenient facts, makes some posters very upset.

Hang in there skyvue... Guys like us are often misunderstood.

 

[Eielson]

This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.

So what you're saying is that over the past 5 years (Beard's tenure), Lon's best is comparable to Beard's worst?

...

 

[skyvue]

Hang in there skyvue... Guys like us are often misunderstood.

ahem...

No worries here. I'm always prepared to stand behind my posts. That's the first time in nearly 30 years online that I've been accused of being a troll (to my "face," anyway), so the novelty of it is amusing.

 

[thebigabd]

ahem...

No worries here. I'm always prepared to stand behind my posts. That's the first time in nearly 30 years online that I've been accused of being a troll (to my "face," anyway), so the novelty of it is amusing.

Some think I am a troll as well. I'm not a monster.... I'm just ahead of the curve.

 

[scrybe]

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

Hey, no one's perfect…well, except for a few dozen on this board.

 

[skyvue]

Some think I am a troll as well. I'm not a monster.... I'm just ahead of the curve.

Indeed, it's assumed by some (stated in a post as recently as in the last half-hour) that a good portion of your posts are out-of-season April Fool's pranks. If that's not the case -- if all of them are sincere -- you are sorely misunderstood, it would seem. If some of them aren't genuine and are just meant to rile people up, I for one would just as soon see you end that approach. I'd rather know what you really think than be "entertained" by the prank posts and the furor that often follows them.

Not that you asked for my opinion, of course, nor should you necessarily care what I think.

 

[soonerdanny]

Yeah, you are proving my point. Beard's style is slow, just like Shaka played at Texas.

Your original claim wasn't that Beard's style is "just like" Shaka's. It was this:

Texas basketball just got a whole lot more boring for their fans.

It's unclear from your statements what your point actually is.

Their fans hated it, their star recruits didn't like it either. It's one the reasons Texas struggled to win.

Vast oversimplification at best. Their fans hated the losing and the coaching incompetence. The missing out on the NCAA tourney half the time. The zero wins at the NCAA tourneys they did manage to make. Several of Rick Barnes' best teams at Texas played a similar pace to Beard's teams and their fans didn't mind too much because the results were there. Much like we grumbled about some aspects of Kelvin's offenses but were generally pleased with the overall results most of the time.

Texas didn't lose because their star recruits were unhappy with Shaka's style either. They lost because Shaka's offense generally runs like a clogged toilet, because their FT shooting is generally bad, and because he is weak at in-game adjustments, among other things. Their offensive fundamentals are bad. They usually have no idea how to effectively attack a zone. They chuck up tons of threes against every opponent even though they usually don't shoot them well, leading to a bunch of run-outs for opposing teams. According to UT's NBA alums, Shaka's practices were a joke. You could write a book on all of the things Shaka does/did poorly, and those are the reasons he failed.

His players loved him, though. They probably loved him too much, because he never seemed to chew anyone's rear end when they deserved it, and it's thus not surprising that their effort was often up and down from game to game.

Yeah, I expect Beard's Texas's teams to do well on defense, just like Smart's. I don't see Beard being a massive upgrade over Shaka Smart, and he's definitely not Bill Self.

I never said he was Bill Self or anything close to Bill Self. I was just responding to your context-free comparison of their conference records.

 

[WTSooner]

Losers mentality? It’s called a damn rivalry.
Have you ever been to Dallas and the RRS?

I've been to a crap load of RRS games. First, that is game day. I hate the F out of some Texas on game day. And in football, Texas is definitely #1 on the rivalry list.

But in hoops? A rival yes, but I loathe OSU basketball much more than Texas basketball. I'd rather beat KU, than Texas, because most of the time it'll mean more.

 

[Matthew G]

So do people on this board think Chris Beard is a top 5 coach in college basketball?


That question is posed because he makes the 4th most money in college basketball, and is about to make even more. Only Coach K, Cal, and Jay Wright make more than what he made at Texas Tech. Izzo, Self, Bennett, Scott Drew, Mark Few, etc. all make less.



Also, for all the talk about Texas Tech vs OU in terms of programs, Texas Tech paid the 4th most money for their coach and is building a performance facility and practice gym that cost 4 times as much as our new one. So while OU historically is better than Texas Tech, they've pumped a lot more money into their basketball program than we've even attempted in the last decade. Sorry OU fans, but our as great as we've been historically, we've constantly made sure our program doesn't rise too high with the lack of support.

 

[opsooner]

Worst case scenario. That guy is a phenomenal coach. I could not believe how quickly he got things rolling at Tech.

Agree. Texas is now going to get much better starting now. We will have a lot of catching up to do. But that was going to be true anyway.


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[Big Old Booger]

State is a minor thing for me if you have the same recruiting base. He also switched conferences.

While he may not have cashed in on IU's wannabe-blue blood status, he didn't exactly do worse at IU. He won the Big 10 twice vs winning C-USA once and never finished above 4th in the Big East. He also went to the Sweet 16 three times at IU despite advancing past the round of 32 once at Marquette.

Was that once the year he made the Final 4? I'm assuming so (with Dwyane Wade).