Before You Totally Meltdown on the Officiating

[campbest]

The free throw discrepancy in the OU/CU game was +9 in OU's favor. If Boyle's beef was legitimate, what would you call Capel's today when it was +18 in OSU's favor?

Not sure how I should respond to this, already stated there were some bad calls. But they're were calls on both sides which were questionable. Bottom line is they attacked the rim, fed the post and crashed the boards...giving them more chances to go to the line. Do I think they should of shot 18 more free throws than us? Absolutely not, but they deserved to shoot in at least 10 more than we did...they were more aggressive, plain and simple.

We decided to run a one-on-one offense and be content shooting contested jumpers.

 

[Cleavon Little]

I know it's part of the game, but I've always hated games that are called tight. I think when they make up their minds to call a tight game they have already thrown their impartiality (is that a word?) out the window. They have decided to affect the outcome of the game. It makes more inexperienced players go into a shell, everybody is hesitant on defense, and the refs have in essence changed the entire freaking game.

That said, it's part of the game, and I can deal with it, as long as the majority of the calls actually happened. The blown calls in this game were insane on both sides. Those dudes were getting off on hearing their own whistles.

 

[topcat]

You can gripe about the refs all you want but the difference in fouls was 3. The difference is we didn't have anyone except Blair attack the basket and they had several guys who did.

Cade started out hot and I thought he might be able to carry us to a win if he got some help but Cam didn't help at all. He looked like he was lost and Bird isn't athletic enough to make something happen. Fitz played well and continues to develop but his strong point is jumpers. They are just a more athletic team.

 

[colston15]

The college game is ruled by guys who aren't offensively gifted but are good enough athletes to contribute and mug.

That doesn't describe today's game in any form or fashion.

The bottom line is, a bottom tier officiating crew decided shooting 60-some odd foul shots was a good idea. Several of the fouls whistled literally involved no contact.

In my humble opinion that benfited OSU greatly, and not just because they shot a ton more free throws, that's obvious. It took away all the rhythm and flow of the game. I think we're much better than OSU in a clean, flowing game. We run better offense, shoot better and are better in transition.

 

[Sooner04]

That doesn't describe today's game in any form or fashion.

I disagree. I'm not sure there was a player on the floor who could've played major minutes 20 years ago....back before the game was watered down by early departures and the one-and-done rule.

Who on the floor today would you consider offensively gifted?

 

[colston15]

I disagree. I'm not sure there was a player on the floor who could've played major minutes 20 years ago....back before the game was watered down by early departures and the one-and-done rule.

Who on the floor today would you consider offensively gifted?

Today wasn't a showcase of athletes who aren't basketball players. If anything, it was just the opposite. Fitz, Cade and Washington are far from great athletes, but they're pretty solid college players. Same with Page and Williams for OSU.

It's pretty hard to put guys back or forward 20 years ago and compare.

 

[cowboysooner]

The officiating was poor in my opinion. Didn't call the game "both ways". Simply missed or made the wrong call 4-5 times, e.g. the ball went off of Williams head and they gave it to OSU, etc. The "wrong" calls went against OU.

The above having been said, OU could have played well enough to win and didn't. Never put a body on anyone and let OSU score a bunch of points on second and third chances was the biggest problem I saw.

Bottom line for me, the 3 kids that have played best over the last 4 games didn't show up (blair, clark and Pledge). They all played like the warmed up for the game with a bong (just trying to be funny). Most decent kids will have a good half, good game or a few good games, but the great ones are the ones that bring it every game. those kids have potential but their not in that category. They will bounce back I think and play better in norman.

 

[Dave4OU]

Mine complaint had nothing to do with the amount of calls they were calling against OU.

I have 3 plays that come to mind.

1. The play before Travis Ford technical, I didn't blame him. Blair was clearly hooking the OSU player.

2. The play before the Jeff Capel T, clearly out of bounds on OSU players head.

3. Cades' 4th foul, Wasn't it Cam that hammered the OSU player? would have been nice to have Cade in the game the last 8 minutes.


But as i have always said, Ref do not beat you. The fact that we were out rebounded 38-28 beat us, we played well other than our ability to rebound and our ability to defend w/o fouling.

 

[OKUman]

Well I guess most coaches in the world would also switch to a zone when the other team was driving to the basket and getting a foul called every time down court. How bout some defensive changes coach? Oh you just love the Duke defense. Oh well

 

[DenverSooner]

My brother went to OSU and called during the game. He said the officiating stunk and neither team was very good. Game was not on in my area. I got isu v ksu.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm convinced officials go into games with the narrative already decided. They choose whether it's going to be a tightly called game or if they're going to let them play before hand, and regardless of whether things actually are legitimate fouls they're going to blow the whistle to fit what they decided. They also go into games with definite biases (home team gets more calls, teams like Mizzou or ksu with reputations for fouling will be called closer than others, etc).

The game really is not that hard to officiate. Call what you see, not what you think happened or expected to happen.

 

[stevent11]

Home cooking is prevalent in the Big 12 every game. Makes me so mad. OSU averages 18 fts per game on the road, while they average 36 fts per game on the road. Doubt their game plan changes much.

Hopefully, we shoot about 20 more free throws than them when they come to Norman.

 

[Sawyer]

I've seen a statistical analysis of home/road free throws (can't find it right now, but I'm looking), I believe from last season. Every Big 12 team shot more free throws than their opponents while playing at home and fewer while playing on the road... except kansas, who shot more free throws no matter where they played.

When the home team gets more calls that consistently, I'd say there's a problem.

 

[steverocks35]

The statement "the officials can't beat you" is absolutely untrue. I've seen it happen time and time again.

/not saying it happened yesterday.
/officiating was horrible and lopsided.
/still could've won.

 

[Sooner04]

The more we get away from yesterday's game the madder I get because the FT train during the first half is the only thing that kept O-State in it. It wasn't like we established our lead at the line. No, we were hitting jumpers.

The fact that they took as many shots from the field as they did from the LINE makes my blood boil.

But, hell, we did the same thing to Colorado in the second half a few weeks ago. Just atrocious officiating.

 

[campbest]

I'm convinced officials go into games with the narrative already decided. They choose whether it's going to be a tightly called game or if they're going to let them play before hand, and regardless of whether things actually are legitimate fouls they're going to blow the whistle to fit what they decided.

This is true to an extent, officials at every level have pre-game meetings during which they discuss team/player tendencies, this is especially emphasized during rivalry games. You try to be as proactive as possible but sometimes you get overzealous. Happened yesterday quite a bit. As a player or coach my only request was that it be consistent, even if that meant consistently tight, b/c you at least know how to adjust. Our guys didn't and Capel not going to zone really didn't help either.

They also go into games with definite biases (home team gets more calls, teams like Mizzou or ksu with reputations for fouling will be called closer than others, etc).

KSU fouls a crap ton and that cannot be denied. Mizzou isn't that bad IMO, however, when you extend your defense like they do it opens up chances for fouling.

The game really is not that hard to officiate. Call what you see, not what you think happened or expected to happen.

I'm sure your local chapter would love for you to sign up, you should, given it's not that hard to officiate a game.

 

[SoonerBabyy]

the team was pretty upset with the officiating. kind of like their feelings were hurt i guess? idk how else to describe it. & i have had numerous OSU fans say to me that they knew the only reason they won was because of the FT's & it was "nice" to be on the other side of it for once. smh

 

[playmakr]

The team shouldn't have been as upset with the officiating as much as they should have been upset with themselves for committing dumb fouls.

 

[I love lamp]

FACTS--

OSU had 22 fouls
OU had 26 fouls

People thats not one sided officiating at all

We just fouled more in the act of shooting. plain and simple

 

[I love lamp]

I've seen a statistical analysis of home/road free throws (can't find it right now, but I'm looking), I believe from last season. Every Big 12 team shot more free throws than their opponents while playing at home and fewer while playing on the road... except kansas, who shot more free throws no matter where they played.

When the home team gets more calls that consistently, I'd say there's a problem.

The number of free throws shot shouldn't matter. All that tells you is how many times you fouled in the act of shooting. Its the number of fouls you need to look at.

Lets say both teams committed 9 fouls in the first half. The first 6 fouls OSU committed were non shooting fouls and the first 6 fouls OU committed were shooting fouls. That would put the Free throws at 0 for OU and 12 for OSU. Lets say the last 3 fouls for both teams were not shooting fouls. OU misses the front end of the 1 and 1 on all 3 and OSU makes all of them. Free Throws for the first half would be OU-3 and OSU-18

BUT THEY BOTH COMMITTED 9 FOULS