Big 12 in The Dance...

Did you even watch the games? You are entitled to your opinion, but that isn't what I saw at all. MSU played with effort. They got good results on the offensive end of the court. And their defense wasn't "bad". Sometimes teams makes shots they shouldn't make. That's what happened to MSU. That is not what happened to WVU. The Big 12 has been overrated all season long. Round 1 proved that.

And I don't cheer for the Big 12. I cheer for my alma mater, The University of Oklahoma.
 
Did you even watch the games? You are entitled to your opinion, but that isn't what I saw at all. MSU played with effort. They got good results on the offensive end of the court. And their defense wasn't "bad". Sometimes teams makes shots they shouldn't make. That's what happened to MSU. That is not what happened to WVU. The Big 12 has been overrated all season long. Round 1 proved that.

Michigan state trailed the whole time. They looked bad to everyone else I assure you.
 
MSU's adjusted defense efficiency on Kenpom is 51st in the nation. It showed yesterday.
 
We go thru this every year, it seems. Generally speaking, every team in the Big Dance has:

  • Good players
  • Good coaches
  • Success leading into the Big Dance

Going into the Big Dance, Cal State Bakersfield (CSBU) was 24-8, having won 10 of their last 11 games, and had won their conference tournament championship. In other words, they are winners. They are confident. And after seeing them in person, I think they are pretty darn good. They fight and play hard. They badly wanted to win the game. They were very disappointed to lose. They were not just "happy to be there."

I guess my point is this. I have been going to OU games for 40 years, and I enjoy each and every NCAA Tournament win. I certainly enjoyed being inside the Chesapeake Arena yesterday. I never take a win in the big dance for granted.


Also, I think this concept of conference perception being carried over to the next season is overrated. It appears to me that the NCAA Committee looks at each season, in and of itself.

Will the upsets by MTSU and UALR hurt the Big-10 perception with the Tournament Selection Committee next season? I doubt it.

The two teams in the Big Ten tourney title game last Sunday are both first-round knockouts. Purdue was broomed out by Arkansas-Little Rock on Thursday, and Michigan State is gone Friday.

No matter how good or how bad the Big-12 performed in The Dance in prior seasons, 70% of the conference teams were in The Dance in 2016. That is because the Big-12 had a really good season in 2015-16, and not because the Big-12 had a great run in the Big Dance in a prior season.
 
No matter how good or how bad the Big-12 performed in The Dance in prior seasons, 70% of the conference teams were in The Dance in 2016. That is because the Big-12 had a really good season in 2015-16, and not because the Big-12 had a great run in the Big Dance in a prior season.

Having a good season and having good teams are two different things though.
 
WVU most certainly lost because of a bad matchup.
 
WVU most certainly lost because of a bad matchup.

How so? OU basketball in the 80's didn't often lose to lesser talented teams that ran the same press/run and gun style. OU never lost to Loyola Marymount, right?

I think what you are trying to say is that WVU needs a certain kind of matchup to be successful. And that is the definition of being overrated. WVU should have loved going up against a team that pressed/pressured, and ran. A truly bad matchup for them would have been a team that could break their press, but that also wanted to take the air out of the ball, and could match their athleticism inside. Or a team with multiple scoring options, since when you pressure like WVU does, it's often hard to focus your D on any single offensive player (though they did do that to Buddy in the 3rd game). But that wasn't SFA. Most of their offense came from one guy.
 
Having a good season and having good teams are two different things though.

True, although Michigan State had a good season and a good team. So did many other 1st round losers. Sometimes you lose. It hurts every time; even more in the Dance.
 
for the all WVU love, we did beat them twice.

and they lost to a mediocre Florida team badly in the SEC-Big XII hoo-ha challenge.

they were a good team. good teams lose in the NCAA tournament. that's the definition of the event.
 
for the all WVU love, we did beat them twice.

and they lost to a mediocre Florida team badly in the SEC-Big XII hoo-ha challenge.

they were a good team. good teams lose in the NCAA tournament. that's the definition of the event.

They were a flawed team, just like pretty much every team this year. WVU's guards played like garbage last night. I haven't seen them have so many dumb turnovers in a game this year. But hats off to SFA, their guards played great and were composed the entire game. They played better than WVU the majority of the game, in particular the entire second half.
 
And Michigan State didn't lose because the other team made everything. They were flat out outplayed. Just like WVU yesterday.
I agree, some of those mid majors can and often do a number on these so called power conf teams. Those teams are tough as nails for the most part
 
Does Miami count as part of the big 12 since like 3 of their starters used to play in the big12.
 
The notion that any single game says anything about a conference is ludicrous. Using any single data point to generalize is a good way to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
The notion that any single game says anything about a conference is ludicrous. Using any single data point to generalize is a good way to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Exactly. A one game sample size does not cancel out 30+ games of data.
 
Conference perception matters for future seeding and bubble teams. If Big XII isn't perceived as the best conference, a team like Tech this year or OSU last year doesn't get in.


As is, the committee needs to be taking a hard look at why they keep giving Big XII teams high seeds only to see them bow out in the weekend of the tourney.

No it doesn't.

See 2016.
 
No it doesn't.

See 2016.

He's actually right. Tech was not one of the top 68 teams this year. OSU went on a long losing streak last year. We are not a 7 tram conference league.

The worst part of the tournament is these 4 play in games. Teams like Wichita state playing 3 games in 5 days is b.s. no reason Wichita state should be at a disadvantage when they play Miami.
 
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