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Tech got in entirely based on the '15-'16 season.

Nothing to do with perception built from previous seasons.
 
coolm said:
WVU most certainly lost because of a bad matchup.
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I thought so as well. SFA was prepared and Walkup was fantastic. He took over the game and WVU could not frustrate him. Once you have that you are in good shape against WVU - their offense is not going to scare you. SFA D is also good.

I wish Walkup was on our team. If your team does not have a guy like him then WVU is at least going to scare.
 
opsooner said:
I thought so as well. SFA was prepared and Walkup was fantastic. He took over the game and WVU could not frustrate him. Once you have that you are in good shape against WVU - their offense is not going to scare you. SFA D is also good.

I wish Walkup was on our team. If your team does not have a guy like him then WVU is at least going to scare.
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wasn't he 19/20 from the FT line? that means they were calling it tighter than they did in the big 12...that helped as well. I'd take him in a heartbeat, just sayin.
 
Soonerinkc said:
wasn't he 19/20 from the FT line? that means they were calling it tighter than they did in the big 12...that helped as well. I'd take him in a heartbeat, just sayin.
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It was definitely called closer IMO, but SFA was more aggressive than we were too. Very very impressed with Walkup. He stuck the dagger into WVU and then twisted it.
 
Soonerinkc said:
wasn't he 19/20 from the FT line? that means they were calling it tighter than they did in the big 12...that helped as well. I'd take him in a heartbeat, just sayin.
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Yes, he was tough from the line but the reason he drew a lot of fouls was because they could not take the ball away from him. When they tried to double him he got rid of it to the open guy and then took it back. When they tried to press him with one guy he did not let little bumps and slaps bother him. They isolated him a lot and just let him go to work.
 
yeah...didn't see much, off and on. Did see the 3 late. Dude is a built for TE. lol...

definitely cheering for him..
 
coolm said:
WVU most certainly lost because of a bad matchup.
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WVU lost because SFA got all over them and guarded the heck put of them. Consequently, the Mountaineers had 20+ turnovers. It's not that complicated. SFA is really good, played really well, and WVU didn't play well. Games like that say nothing about West Virginia or the Big 12. Is Michigan St worse than Middle Tennessee or overrated because they lost? Of course not. According to kenpom, SFA had a 30% chance of winning so it's not that surprising that they won.

VCU has a 24% chance of beating the Sooners tomorrow. Sounds about right to me. Will anyone be stunned if it happens? I won't. I expect us to win. We're the better team but the better team doesn't always win.
 
bgrch1350 said:
He's actually right. Tech was not one of the top 68 teams this year. OSU went on a long losing streak last year. We are not a 7 tram conference league.

The worst part of the tournament is these 4 play in games. Teams like Wichita state playing 3 games in 5 days is b.s. no reason Wichita state should be at a disadvantage when they play Miami.
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Kenpom has Tech as the #52 team in the country. Of course, that's after they lost so they were higher when the field was selected. Tech is #33 in the season ending RPI. According to BPI, they're #46.

So there are 3 unbiased analytical tools that state that Tech is, indisputably, one of the 68 best teams in the country. You have some evidence saying that they're not?
 
chuckb said:
Kenpom has Tech as the #52 team in the country. Of course, that's after they lost so they were higher when the field was selected. Tech is #33 in the season ending RPI. According to BPI, they're #46.

So there are 3 unbiased analytical tools that state that Tech is, indisputably, one of the 68 best teams in the country. You have some evidence saying that they're not?
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at one point they lost 7 out of 8 games. No tournament team should have that on their resume. So only 19 wins and the losing streak on their resume is all I need to know they didn't deserve to get in.
 
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Butler is pretty good and in the NCAA Tournament this decade and are giving UVA all they want. There is a good reason Tech lost there.
 
WTSooner said:
How so? OU basketball in the 80's didn't often lose to lesser talented teams that ran the same press/run and gun style. OU never lost to Loyola Marymount, right?

I think what you are trying to say is that WVU needs a certain kind of matchup to be successful. And that is the definition of being overrated. WVU should have loved going up against a team that pressed/pressured, and ran. A truly bad matchup for them would have been a team that could break their press, but that also wanted to take the air out of the ball, and could match their athleticism inside. Or a team with multiple scoring options, since when you pressure like WVU does, it's often hard to focus your D on any single offensive player (though they did do that to Buddy in the 3rd game). But that wasn't SFA. Most of their offense came from one guy.
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No. WVU is modestly talented. They win with thug ball/ref foul-fatigue. Not skill.

Even teetering the comparison to 80s OU vs their opposition is ridiculous.
 
If we win tomorrow the Big 12 will get 3 teams in the Sweet 16.
 
oudna said:
No. WVU is modestly talented. They win with thug ball/ref foul-fatigue. Not skill.

Even teetering the comparison to 80s OU vs their opposition is ridiculous.
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OU in the 80s always had great post players and talented guards. They could run a half court offense if needed to. WVU's got no half court offense.
 
bgrch1350 said:
at one point they lost 7 out of 8 games. No tournament team should have that on their resume. So only 19 wins and the losing streak on their resume is all I need to know they didn't deserve to get in.
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So, despite the fact that all the objective resources say that they're 1 of the best 68, they don't belong because they happened to bunch their losses together rather than spread them out like more deserving teams. Got it.

I suppose it's also to their disadvantage that they bunched their best wins together -- by beating Iowa St, Baylor, and OU consecutively. Losses bunched together = bad. Good wins bunched together = also bad.

I'll take arbitrary decision making for $2000, Alex.

:facepalm
 
NickZepp said:
If we win tomorrow the Big 12 will get 3 teams in the Sweet 16.
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And if Kansas would have won the 1st weekend last year, the Big 12 would have had 3 teams in the Sweet 16 as well. So really Kansas choked last year.
 
chuckb said:
So, despite the fact that all the objective resources say that they're 1 of the best 68, they don't belong because they happened to bunch their losses together rather than spread them out like more deserving teams. Got it.

I suppose it's also to their disadvantage that they bunched their best wins together -- by beating Iowa St, Baylor, and OU consecutively. Losses bunched together = bad. Good wins bunched together = also bad.

I'll take arbitrary decision making for $2000, Alex.

:facepalm
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They also finished the season losing to tcu.

So 3 good wins trumps losing 7 out of 8 games during the year, finishing the regular season losing 3 out of 4 games and one of those games was to tcu and you think they were top 68?

So with the loss to butler that means they have loss 4 out of their last 5.
 
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bgrch1350 said:
They also finished the season losing to tcu.

So 3 good wins trumps losing 7 out of 8 games during the year, finishing the regular season losing 3 out of 4 games and one of those games was to tcu and you think they were top 68?

So with the loss to butler that means they have loss 4 out of their last 5.
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They got in because the bubble was terrible this year.
 
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