Big 12 seeding

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Man, this is going to be interesting coming down the stretch. If we win out, and ISU loses either @Baylor or @KSU (I think they'll lose one of the two), we could have four teams tied for second at 12-6. Thankfully, OU would own all of the tie breakers with a sweep of Texas.

IF that happens, OU ends up as the 2 seed facing the winner of Baylor/TCU in the second round.

Beat Texas!
 
The chance to enter the tournament as the 2-seed makes the texas game even more important than it would have been under normal circumstances (pride, ranking, series sweep). It would, IMO, put us in the position to make it to the Big XII championship game.
 
The chance to enter the tournament as the 2-seed makes the texas game even more important than it would have been under normal circumstances (pride, ranking, series sweep). It would, IMO, put us in the position to make it to the Big XII championship game.

Not only that, but finishing 2nd, in the toughest league per RPI, has to count for something right?
 
I just want that first game to be in the evening. I hate when it's a morning/afternoon game, and I have to miss it b/c of work. Snagging the 2 or 3 seed would make that a non-issue.
 
Our RPI is 23 right now with 8 wins against RPI top 100 (and one win over 104 Tulsa). Winning out makes us 10-7 against RPI top 100 with 9 wins on the road. We should break the RPI top 20 if that is the case, which will put us in the running for a 5 seed prior to the Big 12 tourney, where we would have a chance to solidify the five seed, move up to a 4 by getting to the finals or get a 3 seed by winning the thing.
 
Man, this is going to be interesting coming down the stretch. If we win out, and ISU loses either @Baylor or @KSU (I think they'll lose one of the two), we could have four teams tied for second at 12-6. Thankfully, OU would own all of the tie breakers with a sweep of Texas.

IF that happens, OU ends up as the 2 seed facing the winner of Baylor/TCU in the second round.

Beat Texas!

I've done the seeding generator on "nothing but net" website and I keep getting a 3-way tie between us, texas, and Iowa State. And like you said, assuming we beat Texas, we would win the 3-way tie scenario between the 3 teams with Iowa State being the 3-seed and texas the 4. I realize that ISU brings a large following to KC, but I don't fear that team at all for some reason. I think we can handle them in a somewhat neutral environment.

If we are the 2 seed, who would you rather draw in the quarters? Baylor? (yes definitely, we own Baylor), WV? (yea maybe), OSU? (not really, they will be playing for their NCAA tournament lives). I don't fear anyone in this conference, but if I were to list teams that I would want to avoid in the Big 12 tournament until we have to play them, it would be (toughest matchup to easiest matchup):
Kansas (until the championship game of course).
Texas
Kansas State (although I think we match up relatively well with them)
Iowa State (I think we are the better team)
Oklahoma State
Tech
West Virginia
Baylor

So my dream scenario would be vs. Baylor (quarters), vs. either K-State/ISU (semis), and either ISU/KSU (in the finals). I wouldn't mind another crack at Kansas either, but if the goal is winning the Big 12 tourney, I would rather play a 4/5 seed that might upset them. That may be a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened in this tournament over the years.
 
I honestly think Baylor and/or OSU could catch up to WVU in the standings.
 
I've done the seeding generator on "nothing but net" website and I keep getting a 3-way tie between us, texas, and Iowa State. And like you said, assuming we beat Texas, we would win the 3-way tie scenario between the 3 teams with Iowa State being the 3-seed and texas the 4. I realize that ISU brings a large following to KC, but I don't fear that team at all for some reason. I think we can handle them in a somewhat neutral environment.

If we are the 2 seed, who would you rather draw in the quarters? Baylor? (yes definitely, we own Baylor), WV? (yea maybe), OSU? (not really, they will be playing for their NCAA tournament lives). I don't fear anyone in this conference, but if I were to list teams that I would want to avoid in the Big 12 tournament until we have to play them, it would be (toughest matchup to easiest matchup):
Kansas (until the championship game of course).
Texas
Kansas State (although I think we match up relatively well with them)
Iowa State (I think we are the better team)
Oklahoma State
Tech
West Virginia
Baylor

So my dream scenario would be vs. Baylor (quarters), vs. either K-State/ISU (semis), and either ISU/KSU (in the finals). I wouldn't mind another crack at Kansas either, but if the goal is winning the Big 12 tourney, I would rather play a 4/5 seed that might upset them. That may be a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened in this tournament over the years.

My order of not wanting to play is:

Kansas
OSU
Iowa State
Baylor
K-State
Texas
WVU
Texas Tech
TCU
 
The two teams I'd most want to avoid are Okie State and UT (in either order). I'm basing that on the fact (assumption?) that we'll beat Texas this weekend, and its hard to beat any team three in a row. That same rule could also apply if we make it to the finals and play KU.

Funny, though, it doesn't feel like the rule should apply if we meet Baylor a third time.
 
The two teams I'd most want to avoid are Okie State and UT (in either order). I'm basing that on the fact (assumption?) that we'll beat Texas this weekend, and its hard to beat any team three in a row. That same rule could also apply if we make it to the finals and play KU.

Funny, though, it doesn't feel like the rule should apply if we meet Baylor a third time.

I hear how difficult it can be to beat a team 3 times in a row, but often times I believe that is just thrown out there as a cliche. Granted, I haven't researched and seen records between two teams playing against each after they've already played twice during the regular season. That would be an interesting stat....I'm sure statgeek or campbest can find numbers on that somewhere.

Having said that, I feel the same way about Baylor. I tend not to forget what happened during the regular season and look at how the games were played when matching up with a team we've already beaten (or lost to) twice. I think it boils down to three things mainly:
Overall talent level
Matchups (size vs. speed, tempo, defensive/offensive efficiency)
Intangibles (is a team playing with urgency or have they mailed it in)

Re:Baylor...they may have slightly more talent (per recruiting) than we do, but we matchup well with them (their big guys aren't physical except Gathers) and they don't care for playing defense much. And their coach sucks.

Re:OSU...they are obviously talented, but we matchup extremely well from a physical standpoint and their coach sucks as well. However, they have some added motivation with Flopper back and playing for their tournament lives.

Re:Texas....their talent is about equal with us, but outside of Kansas, I think this is our worst team matchup. They are long, athletic, rebound, and play tough defense. Our saving grace is that they don't defend the perimeter as well as the interior and Texas isn't a very good offensive team at all...unless they are getting a bunch of offensive rebounds. Barnes is a good coach, but I will take Kruger every time in that matchup.

Re:KSU....they're extremely limited offensively unless Foster is on. They play great defense, but there aren't overly big, which has helped us in our games with them. And K-State isn't good away from home (only wins against TCU and Tech). We play well on the road which makes this a decent matchup for us on a neutral court.

RE:ISU....they are talented at the offensive end, but aren't overly big either. They are athletic and can rebound, but don't play too tough on defense much of the time. They are a great team at home....not so much away from Hilton. I wouldn't mind this matchup at all.
 
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I think we end up in a tie for 2nd with ut and get the #2 seed playing the winner of the 7-10, probably WV vs TCU.


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Our RPI is 23 right now with 8 wins against RPI top 100 (and one win over 104 Tulsa). Winning out makes us 10-7 against RPI top 100 with 9 wins on the road. We should break the RPI top 20 if that is the case, which will put us in the running for a 5 seed prior to the Big 12 tourney, where we would have a chance to solidify the five seed, move up to a 4 by getting to the finals or get a 3 seed by winning the thing.

I don't see us getting to a 3 seed but would love a great finish and 4 seed.
 
Outside of Tech and TCU towards the bottom and KU at the top, I think anyone in the Big XII can beat anyone. If KU doesn't play well they can be beat by anyone. If Tech (and theoretically TCU) play well they can beat teams. This is a very good conference. I suspect it will do very well in the NCAA Tournament.
 
Since 2000 OU has been involved in 8 games where a team has had a chance to beat its opponent 3 times in one season. Here are the results:

2001 OU was 3-0 vs Texas
2002 OU was 3-0 vs Texas
2003 OU was 3-0 vs Texas Tech
2004 Texas was 3-0 vs OU
2008 Texas was 3-0 vs OU
2009 OU failed to beat OSU a third time, losing to OSU in the conference tourney.
2011 Texas was 3-0 vs OU
2013 OU was 3-0 vs West Virginia (played a non conference game early in the season).

So overall OU is 4-1 since 2000 when facing a team it has already beaten twice.

Overall teams are 7-1 since 2000 when facing a team it has already beaten twice.
 
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The way it was set up last night during the WVU/ISU game, OU is a 4, would get K State as mentioned previously and have a shot at KU in semis. I would prefer that option as opposed to a reinvigorated Ok State team which KU would have to play in their first game if the Pokes win their first round game.
 
It really is amazing how little is known about the conference tournament and we're less than 2 weeks away from the start of it. All we know is Kansas is the 1 seed and TCU is the 10 seed.
 
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