Big12 coach of the year

[Chaser728]

Eh. I don't think that matters in this discussion. At least in my eyes it doesn't.

Schools fall down all the time. Florida one back to back NC's, then was NIT bound for two years. There is no doubt that UT stunk last year, and Barnes cleaned house. He got rid of the problems. Most thought UT would stink again this year. They did not.

I'm not sure when the voting occurred, but it may have been before UT lost to TT yesterday. If that is the case, I can see how it happened even more.

Like I said, I'd give the edge to LK, but it's closer than most of you think. Picking apart why UT was picked so low, none of that matters. He did a good job this year, just like LK did. My guess is that the coaches thought OU had considerably more talent to work with.

I know you are not saying you agree with this statement; but merely making a guess how the coaches were thinking when they cast their votes. However, this is just such an unfounded way of thinking:

OU Roster:
Jordan Woodard- 3 star by ESPN
Isaiah Cousins- 2 star by ESPN
Buddy Hield- 4 star by ESPN & #86 player in the country
Cameron Clark- 4 Star by ESPN & #32 player in the country
Ryan Spangler- 3 Star by ESPN
Jelon Hornbeak- 3 Star by ESPN
Frank Booker- 3 Star by ESPN

Texas Roster:
Isaiah Taylor- 3 star recruit by ESPN
Prince Ibeh- 4 Star recruit by ESPN & #55 Prospect in the country.
Jonathan Holmes-4 Star Recruit by ESPN & #62 player in the country.
Cameron Ridley- 5 Star Recruit by ESPN, #8 Prospect in the Country & McDonalds AA.
Connor Lammert- 4 Star Recruit by ESPN & #94 player in the country.
Javon Felix- 4 Star Recruit by ESPN & #72 player in the country.
Kendal Yancey-Harris- 4 Star by ESPN & #82 player in the country.

Not only does Texas have a roster stocked full of talent, but they have also had a five star recruit come to their program in every year since 2008 excluding 08' and 13'. With top 15 classes many of those years.

Yeah, that logic does not really hold up and I think it is just a bunch of crap. What this little research tells me is that Rick Barnes can recruit, but he's not that great of a coach. He's a very good coach, and has done a great job this year; but a coach with this kind of talent should be no less than #3 in the league. He just did a crappy job the past few years and now is being rewarded for coaching his team out of the dumpster which is a direct result from his own coaching. Not sure I agree with the logic of the coaches here!

 

[skyvue]

I don't like it, but I think in Big 12 play, too much credit is given for defeating KU. ut made a huge leap in the rankings after beating KU and it took them a long time to come back down to earth. I think oswho's a lock for the tourney because they beat KU, and WVU's considered a possible bubble team for the same reason.

And I think, if the voting coaches were honest, they'd point to ut's win over KU as the reason they voted for Barnes.

 

[mict085]

Barnes doesn't deserve the award. He's, at best, 3rd place.

 

[152219]

I don't like it, but I think in Big 12 play, too much credit is given for defeating KU. ut made a huge leap in the rankings after beating KU and it took them a long time to come back down to earth. I think oswho's a lock for the tourney because they beat KU, and WVU's considered a possible bubble team for the same reason.

And I think, if the voting coaches were honest, they'd point to ut's win over KU as the reason they voted for Barnes.

Agree about some bias towards beating KU.

And to think, if OU splits with KU they are likely ranked in the low teens and are the #1 seed in the Big 12 tourney next week. Ugggghhh...better front line and Selden going off from 3 point land was the difference in both game IMO.

 

[WTSooner]

The Sooners finished with a better overall record and better conference record than UT – AND swept the whorns head-to-head.

And KU cleaned up, again. 10 straight now? That is far more impressive than anything OU/Kruger or UT/Barnes did this year.

But wait. KU is SUPPOSE to be good? They were picked near the top of the league? So expectations DO come into play. That is all I'm saying. I think when you bring expectations into the equation, that is where UT/Barnes catches up. It's close. I've said over and over that I personally think LK deserved the award. I just don't think it should have been some runaway victory. I'm guessing if the voting was made public, it would have been a pretty close race. We, or OU/LK, just came up a little short this year.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

Hoping some of the award snubs will get OU fired up and get on a roll here in the tournies. I don't think any of them play for awards since they all seem so team oriented but hopefully the feeling of being overlooked as the 2nd place team in the country's toughest conference makes them want to win even more

 

[MNsooner]

And KU cleaned up, again. 10 straight now? That is far more impressive than anything OU/Kruger or UT/Barnes did this year.

But wait. KU is SUPPOSE to be good? They were picked near the top of the league? So expectations DO come into play. That is all I'm saying. I think when you bring expectations into the equation, that is where UT/Barnes catches up. It's close. I've said over and over that I personally think LK deserved the award. I just don't think it should have been some runaway victory. I'm guessing if the voting was made public, it would have been a pretty close race. We, or OU/LK, just came up a little short this year.

This is the coach of the year, not the coach of the last 10 years award.

 

[KBaden145]

I'd use it, especially with some of the more obvious slights and in individual match-ups. Not overtly but I'd leave guys notes, mention it in film study, and make comments in practice or shoot around.


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[mict085]

Tx goes 2-4 to end the season, which was also the meat of their schedule, and gets swept by Lon and finishes 3rd in conference. A nice surprise season, for sure, but not worthy of COTY for Barnes.

 

[MI Sooner]

Not surprised since Texas was picked to finish 8th this season and ended up the #3 seed in the Big 12 tourney. But, OU was picked to finish 5/6th (tied with KSU) and ended up the clear #2 team in the conference. I truly think Kruger deserves COY, but understand at least a little why Barnes received the honor.

This. I'm surprised Kruger didn't get it, but since it's usually given to the coach who exceeds expectations by the most, Barnes isn't shocking. After Kansas beat OU, I would have had no problem with Self, either, but they faded down the stretch. How about Huggins, too, if you're only looking at conference games?

 

[hoopsaustin]

Tx goes 2-4 to end the season, which was also the meat of their schedule, and gets swept by Lon and finishes 3rd in conference. A nice surprise season, for sure, but not worthy of COTY for Barnes.

This^^^

I can't fathom this slight

 

[sdcloud9]

After thinking about it, I can see coaches voting for Barnes, they were picked 8th, while OU was picked higher in the pre-season.

But interestingly enough, Barnes created his own dumpster fire by underachieving nearly every season at UT and then finally bottoming out last year. He overachieves once and gets coach of the year, lol.

 

[RoninDenton]

After thinking about it, I can see coaches voting for Barnes, they were picked 8th, while OU was picked higher in the pre-season.

But interestingly enough, Barnes created his own dumpster fire by underachieving nearly every season at UT and then finally bottoming out last year. He overachieves once and gets coach of the year, lol.

To me he only did an average job this year because of the players he had on his roster. He has recruited a lot of five stars and did nothing with them. I believe when Kruger gets a five star he will really have a great team but it will have to be a special player that he will take. He has to be a really good kid or Kruger will not recruit him.

 

[WTSooner]

He has to be a really good kid or Kruger will not recruit him.

It's not always that easy. Smart, for example, wasn't suppose to have any of the issues he has had. LK offered him. LK also offered Tiny Gallon while at UNLV.

I agree that LK won't go after the kids that are a problem already in HS. But it's not always easy to predict how kids will act once they leave home.

 

[pnkranger]

It's not always that easy. Smart, for example, wasn't suppose to have any of the issues he has had. LK offered him. LK also offered Tiny Gallon while at UNLV.

I agree that LK won't go after the kids that are a problem already in HS. But it's not always easy to predict how kids will act once they leave home.

No, but LK's track record also says he knows how to help his players mature.

 

[Big Old Booger]

It's not always that easy. Smart, for example, wasn't suppose to have any of the issues he has had. LK offered him. LK also offered Tiny Gallon while at UNLV.



I agree that LK won't go after the kids that are a problem already in HS. But it's not always easy to predict how kids will act once they leave home.

Gallon had some issues but I don't recall him having character issues like the other 2 (TMG and WW). As I recall other than the fact Gallon accepted a handout from Capels asst coach he would have been welcomed back in the program.

 

[WaymanFan]

In another thread, I was mentioning that Lon had won Big XII Coach of the Year because I never thought he wouldn't win it...figured Barnes would be a distant second and The Mayor would get the third most votes.

I was as caught off guard as anyone on this. Was there a single OU fan who thought we would be in a good position for a #4 seed at the beginning of the year? I think we were all hoping we'd be good enough to get an invite, but wouldn't be surprised to wind up in the NIT.

 

[Section31]

It's not always that easy. Smart, for example, wasn't suppose to have any of the issues he has had. LK offered him. LK also offered Tiny Gallon while at UNLV.

I agree that LK won't go after the kids that are a problem already in HS. But it's not always easy to predict how kids will act once they leave home.

Smart wouldn't have acted that way had he been at OU. Ford is an enabler.

 

[soonernutt]

Smart wouldn't have acted that way had he been at OU. Ford is an enabler.

That's the way I see it too. It seems like the players there just do what they want.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Rick Barnes? Are you ****ing kidding me? No way. Kruger is far more deserving and is a far better coach that Barnes. What a joke.

While I would take Kruger everyday over Barnes if you look at the perspective of where the teams were projected and where they finished their is a strong case for Barnes as COY.

The coaches preseason B12 projections had OU tied for 5th with KSU. They projected Texas to finish 8th ahead on only Tech and TCU. OU had lost their top 3 scorers and 4 starters. Texas had lost their top 4 scorers and 4 starters.

Net, net Texas finished 5 spots higher than projected and OU finished 3 spots higher than projected. Hence the logic of picking Barnes. Now I concur that Barnes against Kruger head up OU will win an extra 2 of 10 games against Texas on coaching alone.

But this year Barnes' team over achieved more than did the Sooners. Consequently Kruger kind of does get screwed but Barnes earned COY.
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