Calipari takes on the NCAA

[campbest]

What a buffoon.

So, OU didn't sell any tickets before Ad got here, huh? Fans and alums go to Norman to watch OU play, not Adrian Peterson. Hell, they sold plenty of tickets when we were terrible.

Ad picked OU BECAUSE they sold tickets and would groom him for the NFL.

The college sports business model has changed quite a bit from the early-mid 1990's to 2014. Those "results" (i.e. ticket sales, wins, etc) would not be acceptable today. Broadcast capabilities back then probably helped to inflate those ticket numbers compared to if that happened today.

Let's be honest, AD picked OU because of the coaching staff and our recent success. He is a freak, he was going to get his regardless of what major D1 school he attended.

 

[Soonercuda]

Estimate of OU football players fair value average salary in a free market:

Approx Total Football Revenue for OU----------------------------90,000,000
Estimated players share (based on NFL collective bargaining)------------48%
Players Share of revenue---------------------------------------43,200,000
Divided by 85....Average Player Salary----------------------------$508,235

 

[Section31]

The college sports business model has changed quite a bit from the early-mid 1990's to 2014. Those "results" (i.e. ticket sales, wins, etc) would not be acceptable today. Broadcast capabilities back then probably helped to inflate those ticket numbers compared to if that happened today.

Let's be honest, AD picked OU because of the coaching staff and our recent success. He is a freak, he was going to get his regardless of what major D1 school he attended.

Sure they'd be acceptable. That's exactly the point many of you are missing. There's MANY D1 schools with a half-filled stadium still giving out scholarships. Those schools lose money.

OU has proven to be a good place to hone your skills. Read the scouts reports regarding OU vs TX players.

 

[Section31]

Estimate of OU football players fair value average salary in a free market:

Approx Total Football Revenue for OU----------------------------90,000,000
Estimated players share (based on NFL collective bargaining)------------48%
Players Share of revenue---------------------------------------43,200,000
Divided by 85....Average Player Salary----------------------------$508,235

I don't see a line item for expenses which include everything I listed above regarding my daughter's scholarship. There's also HUGE expenses I didn't include.

 

[Soonercuda]

I don't see a line item for expenses which include everything I listed above regarding my daughter's scholarship. There's also HUGE expenses I didn't include.

The 52% that stays with the University covers the expenses.

 

[campbest]

Sure they'd be acceptable. That's exactly the point many of you are missing. There's MANY D1 schools with a half-filled stadium still giving out scholarships. Those schools lose money.

OU has proven to be a good place to hone your skills. Read the scouts reports regarding OU vs TX players.

...and have coaches making low seven figures with admin staff making high six figures.

 

[Section31]

...and have coaches making low seven figures with admin staff making high six figures.

And getting no players and losing games and losing donors and losing money and losing a football program.

 

[Section31]

The 52% that stays with the University covers the expenses.

That's not how it works

 

[campbest]

And getting no players and losing games and losing donors and losing money and losing a football program.

...and continue to pay high overhead costs in a period where college funding is already being slashed.

Sounds like the problem is the people running the P&L, not the feedstock.

 

[SoonerinNC]

what bank would loan a group of people and then forgive the loan for 95% or more. I'm sure they would be lining up to give up a million a year.

 

[Soonercuda]

That's not how it works

In the free market that is exactly how it works. Admittedly in this model you are completely blowing up college athletics as we know it....lots of small sports would be eliminated, lower salaries for all head coaches and administrators, the non-revenue sports would have to greatly reduce travel, recruiting, trips to Hawaii for tournaments, etc.

But the current model needs to change for the big revenue producing sports as the players in football and basketball have a much greater market value than they are paid.

 

[snydrosooner]

AD did not attend OU for an education and OU did not bring in AD to be a student. They brought him in to sell tickets and gain TV viewers. Period. He came in to showcase his skills for the NFL. Period.

Here's what AD knows. His agent and the players union watch out for his interest. OU took advantage of him. Why would he care if 20% of athletes can only receive scholarship based on his his ability? Why should they be allowed to suck on his tit?

And lets be real. AD used OU (and would have at any other school) to showcase his talents to the NFL and did not care about graduating. They both got something out of it. More then likely if AD did not go to college, he would not be in the NFL. OU gave him a place to showcase his talants, place to workout for free, coaches to help improve him ( if they did or not is another thing), food, room and board. Of course the school used him to sell tickets. That is the exchange for what he received. (Do they deserve more, maybe but straight pay is not the answer)

AD would have been in college with our without a scholorship. He would have paid to go. He knew that this was the best place to showcase his skills for the NFL. Like I said above, if no college, good chance he is not in the NFL.

If you want to argue he has no choice as no minor league system, that is on the NFL and not the NCAA.

 

[snydrosooner]

Getting an advance on an inevitable contract is not a handout. And what business is it of yours what Johnny Manziel does with money that Wells Fargo agrees to loan him? It's so funny to watch people twist themselves into a pretzel. They don't want big brother for themselves, but for everybody else it's OK, especially minority athletes.

I mentioned before, Whats to stop the local Bank from handing out the max to every player and not just future nfl players. The local bank can then just forgive the loan and the player pays nothing. Its away to cheat the system. That is my concern with it. IF every player at texas got the max but OU players did not due to the banks willing to eat the loan.

 

[bocabull]

What a buffoon.

Says the mooch who is calling elite athletes in major revenue sports "selfish" & "stupid" for wanting a piece of the revenue they generate. Because good lord if the revenue producers get paid the welfare scholarships for non revenue sports might go away. Tough titty.

And lol @ counting tuition as variable cost to the school. It's a fixed cost that exists whether AD sits in class or not.

 

[Section31]

Says the mooch who is calling elite athletes in major revenue sports "selfish" & "stupid" for wanting a piece of the revenue they generate. Because good lord if the revenue producers get paid the welfare scholarships for non revenue sports might go away. Tough titty.

And lol @ counting tuition as variable cost to the school. It's a fixed cost that exists whether AD sits in class or not.

Of the 85 OU players, how many would you classify as elite? 3?

 

[Sawyer]

I don't mind any of it except the $50K loan against future earnings. Every yard bird player who thinks he's gonna make it to the league would be taking that loan and blowing the $ on stupid $hit. Great idea, let's make sure all college basketball players start out of their college careers $50K in debt, while only a small % will ever really make substancial money to pay it back. WTF is he thinking???? He sounds like Clinton approving ANYONE who wants to buy a house!

That would be one way to guarantee they end their college careers feeling like true student-athletes. Put them in the same crushing debt category as the rest of their peers.

On a serious note, those suggestions sound good to me. As someone said, there's a lot the NCAA can do without directly paying players, but that would mean they would relinquish some control, which they won't like. Too bad, I say.

 

[campbest]

And lol @ counting tuition as variable cost to the school. It's a fixed cost that exists whether AD sits in class or not.

It doesn't "cost" the school anything, move valuable to have a high major D1 player sitting in that seat than an Oklahoma high school graduate with a 26 ACT.

The free clothing stance is the same, it doesn't "cost" the school anything, they get all of that stuff for free...and depending on the university...cash from royalties. Wichita State (a mid major with no football) rocks Jordan gear and pays nothing for it.

 

[campbest]

On a serious note, those suggestions sound good to me. As someone said, there's a lot the NCAA can do without directly paying players, but that would mean they would relinquish some control, which they won't like. Too bad, I say.

Negotiating to somewhere in the middle is fair.

 

[SoonerinNC]

Suspect that the so called huge profits to the U's is greatly exaggerated. There is a saying that people with liberal ideologies conveniently ignore simple math. In one place on this thread a 90 Million figure is quoted. If we have 6 home games that comes out to $187.50 a ticket. Seems a bit high.

I am in agreement with reforming the NCAA but don't know how it can be done. Today they claim helplessness regarding major violators while coming down hard on trivial violations of the rules. Giving them more power is a little frightening as well.

Not sure how they would deal with the unions but unless the feds block the unionizing action I think there will be quite a bit of unionizing. What player would not vote for more money which is certain to be promised in glowing terms.

Certainly the level playing field as shaky as it is now will be further skewed. I cannot visualize how the NCAA would be able to maintain any semblance of control. Enter the feds who are certain to not only jump all over Title IX and also probably cancel the football exemption. Many politicians are hot on the war on women and the rest are intimidated by being labeled as such warriors so don't expect the feds to allow cancellation of many womens sports. the only thing sacred to most politicians is getting reelected.

Whatever happens we are probably looking at college athletics becoming significantly differently. Then the next question? Are high school football players also employees of their High School and eligible for a cut of the profits from gate receipts.

Possibly we are looking at the colleges who will be able to afford a football program becoming a minor league system for the pros. OU may come out OK with the following football has but not sure we could compete with the big money schools like Texas.

 

[badger]

The ultimate big brother post. 100% absolutely none of your business.

It's almost a similar situation to when the housing bubble burst.

A lot of home loans were getting approved when they shouldn't have, causing home prices to rise. When the bubble burst, many were underwater and ended up in default, causing Freddie and Fannie needing government bailouts since their many mortgages were suddenly not getting returns.

Suddenly, the business of giving tons of people with no means to repay loans large amounts of loans is everyone's business.