Calipari takes on the NCAA

[badger]

Suspect that the so called huge profits to the U's is greatly exaggerated. There is a saying that people with liberal ideologies conveniently ignore simple math. In one place on this thread a 90 Million figure is quoted. If we have 6 home games that comes out to $187.50 a ticket. Seems a bit high.

It might be right, but there's a reason why big pro leagues like the NBA and NFL only give players about half of revenues --- there's other costs of putting on games besides the athletes on the field.

Because athletic conferences are like mini-leagues and not legal monopolies with worldwide reaches like the NBA/NFL, I would venture a guess that the costs are higher and revenues are lower than the big boy pro leagues, which would likely lead to the players' cut being a lot lower than 50 percent-ish.

It would probably be about the cost of tuition, fees, room and board per player at most. How ironic.

 

[Max Power]

Suspect that the so called huge profits to the U's is greatly exaggerated. There is a saying that people with liberal ideologies conveniently ignore simple math. In one place on this thread a 90 Million figure is quoted. If we have 6 home games that comes out to $187.50 a ticket. Seems a bit high.

I am in agreement with reforming the NCAA but don't know how it can be done. Today they claim helplessness regarding major violators while coming down hard on trivial violations of the rules. Giving them more power is a little frightening as well.

Not sure how they would deal with the unions but unless the feds block the unionizing action I think there will be quite a bit of unionizing. What player would not vote for more money which is certain to be promised in glowing terms.

Certainly the level playing field as shaky as it is now will be further skewed. I cannot visualize how the NCAA would be able to maintain any semblance of control. Enter the feds who are certain to not only jump all over Title IX and also probably cancel the football exemption. Many politicians are hot on the war on women and the rest are intimidated by being labeled as such warriors so don't expect the feds to allow cancellation of many womens sports. the only thing sacred to most politicians is getting reelected.

Whatever happens we are probably looking at college athletics becoming significantly differently. Then the next question? Are high school football players also employees of their High School and eligible for a cut of the profits from gate receipts.

Possibly we are looking at the colleges who will be able to afford a football program becoming a minor league system for the pros. OU may come out OK with the following football has but not sure we could compete with the big money schools like Texas.

Then add in tv contracts, alumni and business donations, merchandise royalties, concessions, etc.

 

[Max Power]

I see your point. I just think it really leaves the door open for corruption

one could argue the current model leaves room for corruption, in t at their has already been corruption.

 

[campbest]

one could argue the current model leaves room for corruption, it hat their has already been corruption.

Correct, in the current model there is no voice for the student-athlete as a checks and balance. It's all university, president, AD, NCAA driven.

Give them a seat at the table first, and lets go from there.

 

[Section31]

Says the mooch who is calling elite athletes in major revenue sports "selfish" & "stupid" for wanting a piece of the revenue they generate. Because good lord if the revenue producers get paid the welfare scholarships for non revenue sports might go away. Tough titty.

And lol @ counting tuition as variable cost to the school. It's a fixed cost that exists whether AD sits in class or not.

What you guys don't understand is, there might be .01% of ALL college athletes that have ANY market value. Again, it's no an NCAA problem, it's an NFL/NBA problem.

As I said, this is the new ungrateful generation. I don't think you guys truly understand cost. You seem to think it's only a cost if the school writes a check. Anyway, I'm done discussing it, because I can see you guys have that entitlement attitude.

BTW, I bet if you have kids, you let them negotiate how much allowance you give them, the conditions under which you pay them and whether it's fair. Next will be high school players getting paid.

It doesn't "cost" the school anything, move valuable to have a high major D1 player sitting in that seat than an Oklahoma high school graduate with a 26 ACT.

The free clothing stance is the same, it doesn't "cost" the school anything, they get all of that stuff for free...and depending on the university...cash from royalties. Wichita State (a mid major with no football) rocks Jordan gear and pays nothing for it.

 

[Section31]

Negotiating to somewhere in the middle is fair.

Hopefully, negotiations end with most of them paying their own way.

 

[badger]

Of the 85 OU players, how many would you classify as elite? 3?

1- Trevor Knight
2- Eric Striker

I think No. 3 would be up for debate after those two... Tapper? Sanchez? Belldozer?

 

[campbest]

What you guys don't understand is, there might be .01% of ALL college athletes that have ANY market value. Again, it's no an NCAA problem, it's an NFL/NBA problem.

No, it's a NCAA/education system problem. The NFL/NBA have nothing to do with NCAA regulation and guidelines, those are set by the school to protect their best interests. Just like the NBA/NFL have rules to protect their own.

As I said, this is the new ungrateful generation. I don't think you guys truly understand cost. You seem to think it's only a cost if the school writes a check. Anyway, I'm done discussing it, because I can see you guys have that entitlement attitude.

This always makes me laugh, using a broad brush to paint everyone from Gen Y or lower in the same stroke. If I may borrow the same brush, since we're all so entitled we can thank the generations above us for making it this way.

Schools have made it very apparent the opportunity cost to give a "scholarship" to a borderline admissible student-athlete is more important than someone else. The SA has more market value than a normal student. I understand how "costs" work.

BTW, I bet if you have kids, you let them negotiate how much allowance you give them, the conditions under which you pay them and whether it's fair. Next will be high school players getting paid.

My kids won't get an allowance, they will get paid for work done. But this has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Section31]

No, it's a NCAA/education system problem. The NFL/NBA have nothing to do with NCAA regulation and guidelines, those are set by the school to protect their best interests. Just like the NBA/NFL have rules to protect their own.



This always makes me laugh, using a broad brush to paint everyone from Gen Y or lower in the same stroke. If I may borrow the same brush, since we're all so entitled we can thank the generations above us for making it this way.

Schools have made it very apparent the opportunity cost to give a "scholarship" to a borderline admissible student-athlete is more important than someone else. The SA has more market value than a normal student. I understand how "costs" work.



My kids won't get an allowance, they will get paid for work done. But this has nothing to do with the topic.

It's not an ncaa problem. If the .01% could go straight to the pros, this wouldn't even be discussed. Guys not qualified as elite have NO market value at all as it relates to their sport.

BTW, I agree about why your generation has this sense of entitlement. And when I try and curb it, I get resistance like this.

 

[Soonercuda]

I got the $90 million revenue figure from a Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...e-teams-2013-texas-longhorns-cant-be-stopped/

From that article: Oklahoma jumped into the top ten (No. 7, $92 million) thanks to increased ticket sales and conference distributions that boosted revenue by $10 million over the previous year.

 

[bocabull]

I got the $90 million revenue figure from a Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...e-teams-2013-texas-longhorns-cant-be-stopped/

From that article: Oklahoma jumped into the top ten (No. 7, $92 million) thanks to increased ticket sales and conference distributions that boosted revenue by $10 million over the previous year.

Cuda please stop posting intelligent data, you're distracting away from the braindead ideological assumptions & myths.

 

[campbest]

It's not an ncaa problem. If the .01% could go straight to the pros, this wouldn't even be discussed. Guys not qualified as elite have NO market value at all as it relates to their sport.

There must be some market value, because schools are jockeying for thousands of kids every year.

BTW, I agree about why your generation has this sense of entitlement. And when I try and curb it, I get resistance like this.

Because someone from a younger generation disagrees with the opinion of another who is older and can base an argument on the legitimate landscape of college sports, does not make the younger person "entitled".

 

[WTSooner]

But the current model needs to change for the big revenue producing sports as the players in football and basketball have a much greater market value than they are paid.

Nonsense.

When you factor in the cost of EVERYTHING a player gets, not even AD or Manziel is worth more than they are getting.

If college football players are pissed about having to go to school for two years, they need to convince the NFL to start some kind of minor league system like baseball has, and like the NBA is sort of trying to do with the NBAD League. It isn't the fault of the NCAA that they have to go to school, and the NCAA doesn't owe them anything.

 

[Section31]

Nonsense.

When you factor in the cost of EVERYTHING a player gets, not even AD or Manziel is worth more than they are getting.

If college football players are pissed about having to go to school for two years, they need to convince the NFL to start some kind of minor league system like baseball has, and like the NBA is sort of trying to do with the NBAD League. It isn't the fault of the NCAA that they have to go to school, and the NCAA doesn't owe them anything.

They overvalue their worth. 60 players on every football team are GIGANTIC losses to a university and young dude wants to spout "how it ought to be". Bwahahaha

 

[campbest]

It isn't the fault of the NCAA that they have to go to school, and the NCAA doesn't owe them anything.

Correct.

But all of these athletic departments, AD & assistant AD salaries, coaches wouldn't be able to survive. Both sides can essentially call each other's bluff, but given the way the business has changed over the past 25 years, they really need each other.

 

[badger]

If anything positive comes out of this unionization/pay-the-players movement, it will be that the NCAA will squirm and schools will offer players more protection when they play games that have potential health consequences.

IMHO, players are going to find out their true personal worth in the college game if they push schools and their fans too far. I love AD, but I probably wouldn't if he didn't go to OU, especially since he's a Viking now (lifelong Packers fan).

 

[bocabull]

When a person uses their age to validate their viewpoint 9 times out of 10 it's a tell they have no credibility.

 

[snydrosooner]

Nonsense.

When you factor in the cost of EVERYTHING a player gets, not even AD or Manziel is worth more than they are getting.

If college football players are pissed about having to go to school for two years, they need to convince the NFL to start some kind of minor league system like baseball has, and like the NBA is sort of trying to do with the NBAD League. It isn't the fault of the NCAA that they have to go to school, and the NCAA doesn't owe them anything.

This is correct. The issue is that football players have really no other options then to go to college. That is not the NCAA fault, that is the way the NFL has set up there system with the collected barganing. Does the NCAA benifit, yes. But if there was a viable alternative to the College, some kids would take it, but college football would still be around. The NCAA benifits from no other system set up for football, but that also means players have to abide by the NCAA rules. ( As I stated before, I am not opposed to them getting more out of there scholorship, just has to be done in a fair way for all schools)

Also when figuring our value of a sports program annual revenue, you need to remove donations. Donations generaly go to Coaches Salaries and buildings and not the day costs of the programs. It skews the results. Players scholorships, food, board come out of the day to day operations. Like at Texas, they actually don't spend a whole lot more then OU on the day to day operations of there team, they just have the donations to pay higher salaries and facilities.

 

[garyeb2]

Correct.

But all of these athletic departments, AD & assistant AD salaries, coaches wouldn't be able to survive. Both sides can essentially call each other's bluff, but given the way the business has changed over the past 25 years, they really need each other.

Well.... The institution, the facilities, the administration, the coaches, and the staff are somewhat durable. The college athletes are transients. They come and then go in a short time frame. They are temps. They are on a one year contract. They are only minority stake holders. The vast vast majority of them are interchangeable with the next group of temps in the recruiting classes to come.

The college athlete is pampered, coddled, well cared for, and well compensated. They work hard for it and earn their compensation. If there is a market need for a level of athlete between college level and type of compensation and the level of NFL/NBA compensation, then someone needs to create that level, hire some players and get busy with it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

It doesn't "cost" the school anything, move valuable to have a high major D1 player sitting in that seat than an Oklahoma high school graduate with a 26 ACT.

The free clothing stance is the same, it doesn't "cost" the school anything, they get all of that stuff for free...and depending on the university...cash from royalties. Wichita State (a mid major with no football) rocks Jordan gear and pays nothing for it.

yes it does .. OU athletic dept .. pays OU the true cost of tuition .. be it in state or out of state ..