Capel recruited this Duke Team

[Big Old Booger]

I miss Kelvin as well. I think his Houston teams will fare better in the Tournament than his OU teams did (in relation to seed) because they no longer call as many ticky-tack fouls as they used to. That will play to his advantage.

Even though I was a Kelvin Sampson supporter, I don't see how he would have won 20 games in '07 without Reynolds and James. He only won 20 in 2006. Essentially, we replaced Bookout, Gray and Everett with Tony Crocker (and Bobby Maze). What's interesting is that no one has mentioned the #1 reason we didn't play in the postseason in '07 - Joe C. The reason I wanted him to hire a more seasoned head coach was because I knew it would be the only way to keep that recruiting class together and have a chance to extend our NCAA postseason streak to 26 years, the most in D-I. Oh well, it all worked out in the end.

Wow...though we may disagree about how good or bad a coach Capel was or how good/bad were his results in his first season, and a few other items related to Capel, we agree on this ^. I too wanted a more seasoned coach for the reasons you mention and IMO, it was the only way to keep building the program. He took a huge gamble and it just didn't pay off, the program was setback a decade or so but now we are starting to recover back to the Sampson level (probably my opinion and not yours; see we probably disagree again :ez-roll.

 

[Big Old Booger]

All I said was there wasn't much talent when Capel took over. Regardless of your opinion of KS, it's undeniable that most of the talent left with him (Everett, Gray, Bookout, James, Reynolds). The only other negative thing I said about him is that he couldn't keep our amazing in-state talent here, so I wasn't convinced he could keep Blake. The list I made of at least 4 NBA guys to support my point was feebly refuted with only Godbold and Stone, so I think I had a point. Even still, KS found ways to win with other guys, and of our last three coaches, he's clearly my favorite.

You assumed way too much in this thread.

I don't think many of those guys would have chosen OU even if we had Capel or Tubbs or Kruger at the time they were recruited. We had no shot at the MWC kid who went to Duke and I doubt we would have gotten Jackson or Giddens from KU, though Giddens was kicked out of KU so I'm one who believes we were better off without him.

Alexander would have stayed if he hadn't cheated and been kicked out of OU, so you really can't include his transfer in that list.

Azuibuike committed to OU but both Bookout and Alexander told Sampson if Kelenna came to OU they would not. He made the better decision at the time and took 2 players who were better teammates than Kelenna ever would have become, not to mention the circus that was his father.

Clent Stewart wasn't recruited by any in-state school, thus he went to KSU. If you won't include Stone and Godbold, how can you include Stewart? They are all 3 on the same level.

Muonelo is on the same level as Stewart, Stone, and Godbold.

Humphrey transferred because he wanted to play the 3 and KS wouldn't play him there. Guess what, he still played the 4 or 5 at ND. His game never developed. He was a marginal college player. A fantastic HS player, but in OK that doesn't mean much. Had he played in Detroit, Chicago, or NYC, he would have been a middle-tier recruit. Would you rather have him or Najera? The easy answer is Najera, though he wasn't from Oklahoma.

 

[Kewllane]

Recruiting was never the problem for Capel.

 

[Eielson]

I don't think many of those guys would have chosen OU even if we had Capel or Tubbs or Kruger at the time they were recruited.

This is true. My point is that in-state guys are not even close to a sure thing for us. Schools like Kansas have frequently swooped in and taken them, and Kansas was certainly recruiting him.

 

[NMSooner'80]

Sky, your post is a perfect recap of my thoughts about Capel. "Hate" is a strong word that definitely does not describe the way I feel about our former coach. Was I upset with the mess he made of his last two seasons at OU and a new NCAA investigation on the back of the one Kelvin created? You bet I was! Still am to some extent, I just choose to keep quiet about it until someone brings Capel up on a thread like this and his supporters come out in droves to defend him.

There is no defense for the poor job he did his last two seasons at OU. How anyone could be happy about the worst back to back seasons in our history, followed by the NCAA breathing down our neck again is beyond me?!

Well done! I think many of us are also kind of perturbed with the scuttlebutt that Capel may have thought that he was too good for Oklahoma. That's about as galling as those last two seasons were (especially '09-10).

 

[pillmanj]

Don't want to search all the way through this thread..But I am sure it was already been mentioned..But just in case...Capel also recruited Nick Thompson

 

[bocabull]

Probably the most talented Duke team of all time. Just like the OU team Capel assembled at OU was the most talented of alltime.

He's laughing at his critics. And rightly so. But hey we beat a 14 seed and an 11 seed before losing to a 7 seed as a fake 3 seed with no NBA players!! zzzzzzzzzz OU would be more talented and had more success had the Neanderthals not run him off.

 

[NickZepp]

Probably the most talented Duke team of all time. Just like the OU team Capel assembled at OU was the most talented of alltime.

He's laughing at his critics. And rightly so. But hey we beat a 14 seed and an 11 seed before losing to a 7 seed as a fake 3 seed with no NBA players!! zzzzzzzzzz OU would be more talented and had more success had the Neanderthals not run him off.

Are you talking about the 2009 team? He recruited 3 players that got minutes from that team. Willie Warren, Juan Patillo, and Blake Griffin(who's brother was already on the roster) So basically you are saying he got Willie Warren. Patillo was kicked off the team after that season.

 

[Max Power]

Only an aggie would want capel back at ou

 

[152219]

Probably the most talented Duke team of all time. Just like the OU team Capel assembled at OU was the most talented of alltime.

He's laughing at his critics. And rightly so. But hey we beat a 14 seed and an 11 seed before losing to a 7 seed as a fake 3 seed with no NBA players!! zzzzzzzzzz OU would be more talented and had more success had the Neanderthals not run him off.

LOL. The '88 team is the most talented team OU has ever had. 3 guys played in the NBA for a collective 33 years from that team.

These Capel threads need to end on this board. And Sampson as well.

 

[NickZepp]

LOL. The '88 team is the most talented team OU has ever had. 3 guys played in the NBA for a collective 33 years from that team.

These Capel threads need to end on this board. And Sampson as well.

Yep no comparison really. And Sampson's final 4 team was way better than any team Capel had. Heck Sampson's team the next year was still way better than Capel's best team. And Tubbs had probably 5 other teams all better than the 08-09 team.

 

[152219]

Yep no comparison really. And Sampson's final 4 team was way better than any team Capel had. Heck Sampson's team the next year was still way better than Capel's best team. And Tubbs had probably 5 other teams all better than the 08-09 team.

I am not sure i would agree with Sampson's team being better, but the '88 team was the best in the history of the school and it isn't close.

 

[WTSooner]

I am not sure i would agree with Sampson's team being better, but the '88 team was the best in the history of the school and it isn't close.

Sampson's team was definitely better. That team was loaded, though not with NBA players. But a bunch of guys that played pro ball of some kind. Price did. Ere did. Ace did. Not sure about JB. I think Detrick did. Selvy did.

Just a very good team that was balanced. They were playing the best ball in the country the last 2 months of the season. Just had an off night, in part due to injuries, at the wrong time.

I don't agree that Tubbs had 5 teams better than the Capel team, but he had 2-3 for sure.

 

[152219]

Sampson's team was definitely better. That team was loaded, though not with NBA players. But a bunch of guys that played pro ball of some kind. Price did. Ere did. Ace did. Not sure about JB. I think Detrick did. Selvy did.

Just a very good team that was balanced. They were playing the best ball in the country the last 2 months of the season. Just had an off night, in part due to injuries, at the wrong time.

I don't agree that Tubbs had 5 teams better than the Capel team, but he had 2-3 for sure.

And the team that won the title that year is the one that had players who played the most years in the NBA (Maryland). That OU was very good but Griffin eats that team up. I vehemently disagree with "definitely better".

 

[KBaden145]

If I were to pick the 5 best OU teams I've seen, I 'd pick, in no particular order, 4 Tubbs teams (83-84, 84-85, 87-88, and 88-89) and the Sampson team that went to the Final 4. The 89-90 and the 08-09 team would be in the next group.


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[Swans]

And the team that won the title that year is the one that had players who played the most years in the NBA (Maryland). That OU was very good but Griffin eats that team up. I vehemently disagree with "definitely better".

OU beat that Maryland team earlier in the season 72-56.

 

[artvandelay]

Probably the most talented Duke team of all time. Just like the OU team Capel assembled at OU was the most talented of alltime.

He's laughing at his critics. And rightly so. But hey we beat a 14 seed and an 11 seed before losing to a 7 seed as a fake 3 seed with no NBA players!! zzzzzzzzzz OU would be more talented and had more success had the Neanderthals not run him off.

you can't be a real person

 

[152219]

OU beat that Maryland team earlier in the season 72-56.

I know they did. And that was at OU and OU played arguably their best game of the year that night.

 

[NMSooner'80]

you can't be a real person

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