Capel to get 2 more years?

[campbest]

OU just might have a new AD and new basketball after two more seasons. Joe C seems to think he built the OU athletic department, he did not. It was great before him and it will be great after him. I fullly appreciate some really good things have happened on his watch but he is a nut if he is committed to two more years no matter what. Now if Capel is .500 in conference play next year I could see giving him one year.

lol, Joe C is not getting fired.

 

[colston15]

Coaches protect coaches. You can't take anything Self, Barnes or any other coach says about Capel seriously. At least not what they say publicly. Who knows who Castiglione might call to get their opinon of Capel?

 

[stanley11]

The longer you wait to make a decision, the more you hamstring the incoming coach or Capel.

We can't afford to wait until April.

This is very true. There will not be a single good recruit that will sign anywhere in the spring period until a head coach is either confirmed as staying or a new one in place. An AD cannot wait to see if a current coach signs a good spring class in making a decision to keep or let go. If the signing class is bad and the decision is to let a HC go, the new coach will have no chance to sign any of the players who were previously available.

 

[DenverSooner]

:vitale

are you serious? you have no clue

I actually do have a clue. Joe C has enemies (as does anynoe that runs something like the OU AD) and he would be foolish to put his neck on the line. Obviously he also has friends but you just don't take risks like demanding Capel get two more years (and telling people) in his position. The tide turns quickly and Joe C. is 100% replaceable as is everyone else at OU. Even if he is the best in the world at his job, he will ultimately lose his job. ADs come and go and one day Joe C. will go. He would be foolish to risk his run over Capel. There is nothing in it for him and everything to lose.

 

[WTSooner]

Not sure why Spates gets all the negative comments he does. And I'll preface this by saying I hate wrestling, but it sure seems like OU is always in the top 10, and top 2-3 in the Big 12. He was national coach of the year about 4-5 seasons ago.

His record seems, to me anyways, to speak for itself.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Not sure why Spates gets all the negative comments he does. And I'll preface this by saying I hate wrestling, but it sure seems like OU is always in the top 10, and top 2-3 in the Big 12. He was national coach of the year about 4-5 seasons ago.

His record seems, to me anyways, to speak for itself.

Well...first off, Spates wasn't hired by castiglione, so the poster who mentioned Joe as failing with the spates hire is wrong.

WT: I would say Spates gets brought up a lot because his record vs OSU is horrid. Don't be deceived by OUs ranking in wrestling, because remember only a number of institutions even have a wrestling program. We should be winning more conference titles than we have won with Spates, and should be more of an NC contender.

 

[IndySooner]

How fickle are you people?

Just three weeks ago, OU was on a four-game winning streak and everyone seemed to be in agreement that Capel had bought himself at least another year. Now, after losing a streak of games that EVERYONE expected us to lose, he's canned again?

And to suggest that Joe C.'s seat is hot is absolutely laughable. Just 15 years ago, our athletic department was in shambles. Now, it's one of the strongest in the country. Joe C. doesn't leave until Joe C. wants to leave.

 

[jerry]

A friend of mine is pretty connected with some big basketball donors and they claim Joe is set on giving Jeff 2 more years. Has anybody else heard the same?

Hope your wrong Booger, but if it's true OU is not committed to Men's Basketball.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Castiglione has a history of sticking with guys; however, I've never heard the two year thing (I've definitively heard that he was going to get at least one more year almost no matter what).

A few years ago, people wanted Sonny Galloway's head on stick and his own nephew (and arguably best player) quit on him. Castiglione stuck with him, and now that looks like it was a good move.

I've been a big proponent of at least next year, but I could see where a reasonably objective athletic director is coming from with two years. I'm done worrying about it or otherwise as it a decision I have no control over it.

 

[OUhoops11]

I actually do have a clue. Joe C has enemies (as does anynoe that runs something like the OU AD) and he would be foolish to put his neck on the line. Obviously he also has friends but you just don't take risks like demanding Capel get two more years (and telling people) in his position. The tide turns quickly and Joe C. is 100% replaceable as is everyone else at OU. Even if he is the best in the world at his job, he will ultimately lose his job. ADs come and go and one day Joe C. will go. He would be foolish to risk his run over Capel. There is nothing in it for him and everything to lose.

:ez-laugh:

 

[cowboysooner]

SoonerwarVet -- Your post conveys my thoughts exactly.

 

[DenverSooner]

you young guys are funny. You seem to think the OU athletic department was built during your lives. The fact of the matter is it was great before I was born and long before you were born. Simply because OU went through some bad years financially in the 1990s does not mean it was always that way. OU had enough money to build Memorial Stadium (it was done in stages), the Loyd Noble Center, Bud Wilkinson House, the old indoor practice facility, etc. etc. long before Joe C. was at OU. OU has during my entire life had better facilities than most schools and that is because it has had a profitable athletic department for most decades.

 

[OUhoops11]

you young guys are funny. You seem to think the OU athletic department was built during your lives. The fact of the matter is it was great before I was born and long before you were born. Simply because OU went through some bad years financially in the 1990s does not mean it was always that way. OU had enough money to build Memorial Stadium (it was done in stages), the Loyd Noble Center, Bud Wilkinson House, the old indoor practice facility, etc. etc. long before Joe C. was at OU. OU has during my entire life had better facilities than most schools and that is because it has had a profitable athletic department for most decades.

I think you are truly failing at understanding the magnitude of how desperate our athletic department was in the 90's financially.


I think you are also truly failing at understanding just how unique our athletic department is now. They donate over $5 million annually to academics. They are one of only like 7 or 8 in the entire country that is self-sustaining. Every single sport has had facility upgrades since 2002. If you think anyone could have done all this, that it's not just because of Castiglione, you're living in a fantasy world.


Castiglione is recognized nationally, both by his peers and by the most prestigious publications as one of the top 3, if not the best, A.D. in the country. There's a reason for that.

 

[okcsooner83]

Joe C is a great AD, but needs to realize he made a mistake in hiring Capel.

 

[Section31]

Joe C is a great AD, but needs to realize he made a mistake in hiring Capel.

I think he will when it is obvious to rational people that he truly made a mistake...

 

[Hollisp]

Castiglione is recognized nationally, both by his peers and by the most prestigious publications as one of the top 3, if not the best, A.D. in the country. There's a reason for that.

Sid? Any comment?

 

[Big Old Booger]

you young guys are funny. You seem to think the OU athletic department was built during your lives. The fact of the matter is it was great before I was born and long before you were born. Simply because OU went through some bad years financially in the 1990s does not mean it was always that way. OU had enough money to build Memorial Stadium (it was done in stages), the Loyd Noble Center, Bud Wilkinson House, the old indoor practice facility, etc. etc. long before Joe C. was at OU. OU has during my entire life had better facilities than most schools and that is because it has had a profitable athletic department for most decades.

Exactly.

:clap

 

[colston15]

Let's be honest, as the football team goes, so goes the athletic department. If the football program takes another big dip, so will the athletic department.

That's the bottom line.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I think you are truly failing at understanding the magnitude of how desperate our athletic department was in the 90's financially.


I think you are also truly failing at understanding just how unique our athletic department is now. They donate over $5 million annually to academics. They are one of only like 7 or 8 in the entire country that is self-sustaining. Every single sport has had facility upgrades since 2002. If you think anyone could have done all this, that it's not just because of Castiglione, you're living in a fantasy world.


Castiglione is recognized nationally, both by his peers and by the most prestigious publications as one of the top 3, if not the best, A.D. in the country. There's a reason for that.

I don't think Castiglione could get fired for the basketball situation, but I do think it could tarnish his otherwise stellar reputation.

However, I will also add the AD was in good shape (financially) under Duncan and when he left and the job was handed to Steve Owens, which was a big mistake looking back, the AD started going south.

Castiglione did get it back in order, but it's not like he was handed the OSU athletic department. We had a number of big donors waiting for the chance to give money to a winner and he hit a homerun with Stoops and the dominoes started falling.

Boren, IMO, deserves as much credit for the success of the AD as does Castiglione. Boren has been involved in all the big donations, even most of the big athletic donations.

For anyone to think Castiglione is bigger than the university, they are wrong, however, I don't see him being fired for the state of the basketball program. Everybody is allowed a mulligan, and Joe will probably be allowed more than 1, but I expect him to fix the basketball situation and everything will be back to normal.

I do not think he will make a change though until the NCAA is done with the investigation because he probably will be hard pressed to convince a good coach to take this job with possible NCAA penalties looming.

 

[NickZepp]

Joe C is awesome. But he's part of the problem with our basketball program right now. There needs to be some changes with a lot of how we deal with basketball. Especially for a program that's this good historically.