Capel to get 2 more years?

[Mr.B!!!]

I'm not that young, but I do think it is funny to say that Joe Castiglione should or would be on the "hot seat" if he gave Capel another couple of years. Just about everyone that posts here is fanatical about OU Basketball; accordingly, the reactions here are probably going to be a little skewed as to what the "general consensus" might be...but just a few weeks ago, there were quite a few people on here that were saying he should get another year.

Fortunately or unfortuantely, the general consensus is that Joe Castiglione is one of the best athletic directors out there, and, whether many like it or not, it appears at least fascially that he is going to give Capel one or two more years to right the ship. Whatever occurred before Castiglione's tenure as athletic director is really a moot point. As of today, he (and to a greater degree Boren) is the person who determines who the coach is or isn't going to be, and the thousands of words posted on the subject or written on the subject mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I do not think he will make a change though until the NCAA is done with the investigation because he probably will be hard pressed to convince a good coach to take this job with possible NCAA penalties looming.

Whatever happened to that "investigation" anyway? Pundits were predicting that we'd get the death penalty or something and now you never really hear anything about it anymore. Nothing about looming sanctions or anything else really, to me the silence is bizarre given the issue that was made over it this time last year.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Whatever happened to that "investigation" anyway? Pundits were predicting that we'd get the death penalty or something and now you never really hear anything about it anymore. Nothing about looming sanctions or anything else really, to me the silence is bizarre given the issue that was made over it this time last year.

I asked Tramel about a few weeks back and he was told the folks at OU didn't expect anything to come of it. However, in the article last week about the "minor violations", it mentioned the investigation is ongoing so we really won't know what the penalty will be until they complete the investigation.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I asked Tramel about a few weeks back and he was told the folks at OU didn't expect anything to come of it. However, in the article last week about the "minor violations", it mentioned the investigation is ongoing so we really won't know what the penalty will be until they complete the investigation.

I remember at the time it went down thinking the same thing and getting ripped for it. Never seen a $3,000.00 payment to a parent get so much drama surrounding it, go look at that Doyle article or some of the things that Carey Murdok was saying at the time. But if is ongoing, it is ongoing so who knows, it may indeed blow up at some point.

 

[Hollisp]

I'm not that young, but I do think it is funny to say that Joe Castiglione should or would be on the "hot seat" if he gave Capel another couple of years. Just about everyone that posts here is fanatical about OU Basketball; accordingly, the reactions here are probably going to be a little skewed as to what the "general consensus" might be...but just a few weeks ago, there were quite a few people on here that were saying he should get another year.

Fortunately or unfortuantely, the general consensus is that Joe Castiglione is one of the best athletic directors out there, and, whether many like it or not, it appears at least fascially that he is going to give Capel one or two more years to right the ship. Whatever occurred before Castiglione's tenure as athletic director is really a moot point. As of today, he (and to a greater degree Boren) is the person who determines who the coach is or isn't going to be, and the thousands of words posted on the subject or written on the subject mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Exactly. Case closed. He is not going anywhere so can we move on? Prolly optimistic thinking

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Exactly. Case closed. He is not going anywhere so can we move on? Prolly optimistic thinking

I know it won't work, but for all the "pumper", "doom and gloom" and everything thing else that gets thrown out here as far as in-fighting, the REALITY is that Boren and Castiglione are going to make the call, and I don't think that either of them are the types to readily admit they made a "mistake". In fact, I still remember Boren raving about the hire, in fact he said during the interview process that Capel was "just like Stoops".

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Bottom line, if you blame capel or not for the situation we are in, he has done a good enough job this year to show promise. He is still young and learning on the job. as someone else pointed out, good thing the Duke AD had faith in Coach K.

 

[NormanPride]

How has Capel shown promise?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Well, while just now being in his mid 30's he has take two different programs to the NCAA tournament and made it to an Elite Eight. You can say it was just Blake, but there are not a bunch of guys in their mid-30's that have the same thing on their resume. Last season he lost the team, this season he doesn't have the talent to compete.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

How has Capel shown promise?

as B said above plus the fact that nobody expected us to win 4 games this season. and we could possibly win 6. and you can see the improvement in the players as well.

 

[Big Old Booger]

as B said above plus the fact that nobody expected us to win 4 games this season. and we could possibly win 6. and you can see the improvement in the players as well.

I would agree this year is an improvement from last year just in the fact they are playing with heart and hustling and not quitting. I would also agree this year is an improvement from the number of conference games many of us predicted them to win.

However, the program is in shambles right now and if next year is not a vast improvement we could really be in a deep hole. Everybody here thinks 2 or 3 down years don't mean much, but look at Iowa State. They were a solid basketball program thru the Orr, Floyd, and Eustachy years. Then Eustachy resigned and the program was turned over to the assistant to clean it up and now they are on their 3rd coach after Eustachy and really haven't had a winning season since he left. We could easily turn into that if next year is not a major improvement.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I would agree this year is an improvement from last year just in the fact they are playing with heart and hustling and not quitting. I would also agree this year is an improvement from the number of conference games many of us predicted them to win.

However, the program is in shambles right now and if next year is not a vast improvement we could really be in a deep hole. Everybody here thinks 2 or 3 down years don't mean much, but look at Iowa State. They were a solid basketball program thru the Orr, Floyd, and Eustachy years. Then Eustachy resigned and the program was turned over to the assistant to clean it up and now they are on their 3rd coach after Eustachy and really haven't had a winning season since he left. We could easily turn into that if next year is not a major improvement.

i think he should get next year. Not sure about after that. Will have to see significant improvement

 

[StoopsBros]

What's significant improvement from 13-18 (split next two, lose 1st round)?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

However, the program is in shambles right now and if next year is not a vast improvement we could really be in a deep hole. Everybody here thinks 2 or 3 down years don't mean much, but look at Iowa State. They were a solid basketball program thru the Orr, Floyd, and Eustachy years. Then Eustachy resigned and the program was turned over to the assistant to clean it up and now they are on their 3rd coach after Eustachy and really haven't had a winning season since he left. We could easily turn into that if next year is not a major improvement.

Maybe they should have tried to keep more continuity in their program? You might disagree, but I think much of the frustration for this season stems from the expectations of last season and the result then. We made a bet prior to TMG and Tiny leaving that this season we would win 20 games, and you offered to let me out of that bet (but I'm not a welcher)...because you knew we were going to be terrible without those two.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at the collection of talent on this team and say that Capel has done a terrible job coaching THIS season. Now LAST season, he was unable to reign in an unruly point guard, but it sounded like the entire team had a chip on their shoulder. Heck, two guys we are counting on now (at least one of them) almost got themselves kicked off the team for shoplifting at Dillard's.

The guy is going to get one more year, maybe two.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

What's significant improvement from 13-18 (split next two, lose 1st round)?

I was talking about seeing improvement throughout the year.
And yes, winning 13 years this year compared to last year is an improvement of coaching.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Maybe they should have tried to keep more continuity in their program? You might disagree, but I think much of the frustration for this season stems from the expectations of last season and the result then. We made a bet prior to TMG and Tiny leaving that this season we would win 20 games, and you offered to let me out of that bet (but I'm not a welcher)...because you knew we were going to be terrible without those two.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at the collection of talent on this team and say that Capel has done a terrible job coaching THIS season. Now LAST season, he was unable to reign in an unruly point guard, but it sounded like the entire team had a chip on their shoulder. Heck, two guys we are counting on now (at least one of them) almost got themselves kicked off the team for shoplifting at Dillard's.

The guy is going to get one more year, maybe two.

I think he's done a decent job, much better than last year.

I like the fact the players are playing and not quitting, but I question why we are so soft. Particularly, Clark, Fitz, and Pledger. I also wish we rebounded better and played better defense as I think we could compete and probably win more games if we were better in these areas. It pains me to watch us have so many 1-and-done possessions especially when that 1 shot is a 3 pointer.

I also think we are a really dumb team, which goes back to coaching, IMO.

 

[StoopsBros]

I was talking about seeing improvement throughout the year.
And yes, winning 13 years this year compared to last year is an improvement of coaching.

I'm not trying to argue or anything. I should have worded my question better...Since, IMO, I think we'll finish 13-18 (5-11) this year, what does the record need to be next year? Again, not trying to argue...

 

[colston15]

I'm not trying to argue or anything. I should have worded my question better...Since, IMO, I think we'll finish 13-18 (5-11) this year, what does the record need to be next year? Again, not trying to argue...

20 wins. Three more non-conference wins and four more conference victories.

 

[Big Old Booger]

20 wins. Three more non-conference wins and four more conference victories.

Just to clarify, if we finish 4-12 this year you think 8-10 is good enough next year?

Or are you confident we win 1 of the remaining conference games to get to 5-11 and therefore 9-9 next year?

Not arguing...just clarifying.

 

[WTSooner]

as B said above plus the fact that nobody expected us to win 4 games this season. and we could possibly win 6. and you can see the improvement in the players as well.

Who didn't expect us to win 4 games? You could put a women's team out there, and they'd have a chance to win 2.

Looking back at the past couple of years, 4-6 wins is pretty much on par with 10th and 11th place in the conference.

So if you say OU was projected to finish 11th, and use that as your lone estimate for wins, we're finishing exactly where we should, with the record we should. At BEST, we might be one game better.

The sad thing to me is that we've gotten blown out (by my definition) in all but 2 of the last 7 games. What happened to competing? Good coaching at least can find a way to keep you in a game early. Instead, OU is almost always down 10 points 10 minutes in. That isn't improvement, and that isn't good coaching. Some people act like this team showed zero potential early in the year. And while there were a lot of games that I'd have to agree with that on, there were still a couple that gave hope. That hope today, is no greater than the hope we had after, say, the UK game.